Modder HIJACKS Pirated Games

Game News: Modder HIJACKS Pirated Games

A popular modder who fixes PC games because the developers didn't has taken a stand against piracy by adding DRM back into a game after pirates cracked it and locking pirates back out. This has the PC gaming up in arms over what modders are allowed to do and whether pirates should be entitled to those mods. Strap in. This is a fun one. But also messy.

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  • Blurpleshark FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    6 months ago

    fuck pirates they are scum

  • GreyGhost9036 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Angry Beaver

    7 months ago

    Yeah Pirates have their head so far up their respective asses right now they forgot how to use logic. Gus's closing statement pretty much sums it up. You pay for the game then you can play the game. The modder has all the right in the world to add whatever software he wants to his own mod. If you dont like it then buy the game or piss off. 

    • zechio FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      7 months ago

      No, he doesn't. He does not have the right to make his mod format your hard drive for example. Or post porn to your twitter. Or send copies of itself through your email. Etc. etc.


      Remember, just because one is wrong, does not make the other right.

  • zechio FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    7 months ago

    All of the talks about this being a great anti-piracy thing are missing a few important things. Besides the normal part where DRM only really affects legitimate users ( because pirates just remove it )...this mods source is available to everyone, allowing anyone to quickly and easily remove the DRM check. So, his saying it is there as a workaround to potential legal issues actually holds up. There are already multiple other copies around with the DRM checks removed.


    As such, the piracy discussion itself is a different topic.


    Now, let's look at some of the various arguments with this information:


    Is it OK for him to have this DRM in the first place? This will depend on exactly what it does, but almost certainly comes down to a yes. There could be a few outside cases where applying DRM in your mod could constitute claiming some part of the original IP as your own. For the most part though, it's just checking that the original game is in the expected state, not modified in a way you don't want by a 3rd party.


    Ok, so a DRM check is fine. What about the removing of the files? This depends on exactly what files are removed. I haven't found exact details on this yet. If it's just the modified steam and Nier files, that's fine. It's a mod, it's supposed to modify these things. However, if it's touching anything else, that's a big no. The moment it modifies 3rd party files, it crosses the line into malware, as that is not a mentioned feature of the mod. Again, I don't know which files are deleted/replaced/etc., so I can't say whether or not this is indeed malware at this stage.


    Now for some opinion:

    Piracy in general is bad, but if you do indeed use it just to try something, I personally don't care. It's expected of you to test drive a car before you buy it. Computer Games and software can have substantial issues, and even simple enjoyment can vary wildly from one game to another. As such, there has to be ways to test things out.


    The exact opposite of that is actually worse. If you played NMS for several hundred hours, then asked for a refund...you should instantly be denied it. The exact amount of trial needed is going to vary a lot per game, but hundreds of hours is never acceptable.


    DRM is across the board bad. There are SO many issues with this. Let's start with the part where piracy is vastly over-stated by certain people. ( I'm looking at you Ubisoft, who seems to think that PC has about 20 times the number of players as console, yet constantly gives them a back seat. ) Meanwhile, many companies still refuse to place DRM in their games, and still sell quite well.


    As mentioned, DRM only hurts the paying customers, as the first things pirates do is just remove it. Any slow downs, crashes, hiccups, false positives, or other issues caused by the DRM ( Which Denuvo is guilty of many of these ), only affect the paying customers.


    Additionally: Modern advanced DRM requires a large amount of work, both on the DRM itself, as well as slotting it into a game in a way that doesn't make it easily circumvented. This takes away resources such as money and time, and makes future editing just that little more difficult. Additionally, it adds more complexity, causing a greater number of bugs and problems.


    This leaves the simple conclusion that from the point of views of the consumer, as well as the productive parts of the gaming company ( so, excluding the CEOs, boards, etc. ), DRM is wholly negative with no upsides.

  • Shmittles FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    7 months ago

    Look, I may or may not have pirated a few things in the past, but this is idiocy. You don't get to complain about something you shadily took for free. I've had "free" files fail me in the past, and when that happens, you either fix it yourself, give up, or pony up. You don't get to pretend you're entitled to it.


    I don't particularly mind that the modder did this. That's his prerogative. But I don't think that this sort of thing should ever become "expected" of modders. It's a real shame he's stopping. He's clearly done some great work on some great games.

  • DavidtheWavid FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    7 months ago

    I guess we could call good malware... benware? Beneware?

  • woard FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    7 months ago

    I love this guy! He is the hero we need.

  • Scuzz83 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    7 months ago

    "Oh no my illegal file no longer works. How dare you do something like that!" Seriously? Buy the damn gamn if you intend to play it. Yeah there was likely a better way to handle the pirates, maybe alert steam, the developor and the authorites about the theif rather than deleting files. But the people who found this issue out and are complaining are criminals.  It's the same as saying "I stole this CD but it had a scratch on it and the store won't give me a refund."

  • Quizzical_Quark FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    7 months ago

    I don't mind pirates being caught, but we can't let modders or anyone for that matter modify files without our consent. We're only one line of bad code away from misery. And it's a gateway for less honorable people to exploit similar actions. People are giving up their rights too easily... The "I don't care, I don't do anything wrong" is the wrong sentiment to have.


    Let's say Steam goes bankrupt, and even though they claim to have measure in place to remedy that (even though that's highly improbable because it represents it's userbase represents a large part of the value of the company and releasing their drm would be considered highly illegal and people will go to jail for that), you'll lose access to your purchased games. People will have to rely on cracked games to get their games running again. Unless you're willing to repurchase your entire library. 

    • RiverRunning

      7 months ago

      People who use this mod are:

      Breaching their license agreement since there are always "no modify" clauses in those,

      Allowing mods access to the game files implicitly and explicitly by using the mod.

      Pirates who use this mod are also:

      Breaching the law,

      Hosting illegal material on their machines,

      Likely breaching the modders terms of service (explicitly if they try to continue to use the mod despite the warning).


      Modders need to be able to modify your game files and you are already in breach of stuff by using them but a pirate has gone a lot further and is a criminal... that the mod didn't delete their files entirely once they discovered they were a pirate shows this modder was pretty polite... but also had yet to breach the bounds of any law - unlike the pirate who has already breached a number of laws in any country (probably more than a dozen in the US or UK).


      The "Steam going bankrupt" argument is irrelevant to the story at hand as since Steam may well have in place unlocking all the DRM as their plan if they go bust... then there would be no problem about losing your library, right?

  • MartyGras2 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    7 months ago

    Neat way to police who has a legitimate copy or not.  I see no problem with it. 

  • JayNut FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Verified RT Scrobbler

    7 months ago

    Seriously, its like stealing a car, putting a better system in it, then getting mad when the tech runs the VIN and doesnt do the work because it is stolen. 

    They got off light, should have made it so it alerts steam/proprietors that this/their copy was illegally obtained.

    • RiverRunning

      7 months ago

      It's not like stealing a car at all... sorry but that is, and always has been, a shitty analogy.


      It is like watching TV without a license (something that you should have in many country's to avoid breaking the law) then complaining when a set-top box you got for free from Freecycle (or other internet freebie place) that upscales Game of Thrones to any size up to 4K (near flawlessly), makes the soundtrack customisable to your speaker setup and gives you a rundown of differences with the book each episode, bios on all the characters and double checks plot points in case you need to check on them during the episode then checks if you have a TV license and then stops you watching Game of Thrones if you don't (but lets you watch every other programme on the TV)...


      If the analogy above were the case I'm pretty sure that the license board (and then police) would be unhappy that the modder had not made the set-top box contact them and report that person rather than letting them continue to break the law left, right and centre with little more than a slap on the wrist and withholding a few "cosmetic" changes from them.


      (And as for the modding of the games files... well that's what a mod does, right? If you didn't want it to modify your files then it wouldn't do anything!)

    • JayNut FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Verified RT Scrobbler

      6 months ago

      How's it a shitty analogy? Someone made a product, another someone is obtaining and using said product without paying for it, then getting upset when some other someone tells them they cannot use the thing they made with their illegal product because it with create backlash upon them..
      Just because one is software and the other is a physical item. stealing is stealing, from shoplifting to piracy to larceny to GTA, I like car in the analogy because of that old, stupid PSA, 

         (...you wouldn't download a car...) 

      if you want to break it down completely, it's like one person buying a "car" and then digitally rendering it, and giving that render away, free, infinitely, to those with a 3D-printer-o-cars to make their own, who in turn make it more available to others..and that's the car the soundwarehouse tech reports "stolen"

  • Icarosaurvus FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    7 months ago

    To quote Pirates of the Caribbean, "Bloody pirates!"

  • RT_Fullmetal FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    7 months ago

    That dude is my fucking hero

  • Gildarts FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold That Guy

    7 months ago

    I honestly think that this will be the way piracy gets reduced. People with a vested interest in their favorite series getting more iterations forcing DRM checks. Combine that with devs programming in punishments for pirates and you have some effective countermeasures.

  • Khaylain FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    7 months ago

    It's great that the modder included checks for illegitimately acquired game files. Yeah, it sucks that the game uses Denuvo (a piece of software that does not make the game run better or in any way positively impacts performance), but then you, if you pirate the game, will have to either; A) make your own mod to fix optimizations, or B) don't use the mods, or C) buy the game despite Denuvo and use the mod that way.


    TL;DR If you pirate a game, don't whine about a mod punishing you. You'll end up looking like a buffoon.

  • AceofAces007 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    7 months ago

    Seriously, those pirates only have themselves to blame here. This isn't far off from when cheeky developers themselves would include something that would punish pirates (like in these examples: http://www.pcworld.com/article/2602876/software-games/10-hilarious-brutally-devious-ways-pc-game-developers-punish-pirates.html#slide1). The only difference here is that it's a third-party doing this to say "Hey jackass, you should have bought the game legitimately."

    • RiverRunning

      7 months ago

      Which is letting the pirates off lightly... dev's have much more powerful tools at hand (though maybe not as powerful as Nintendos! Jackass's should be glad they didn't have Nintendo coming after them (banned from online play, use of any Nintendo products and loss of rights to Nintendo products and it follows you forever across hardware and accounts! :D, makes this modder seem like a little bluebird of innocence! :D

  • Cpt_Clueless333 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    7 months ago

    Exactly what Gus said at the end of the video. 
    You playing a game? You should have paid for it. 

    • JayNut FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Verified RT Scrobbler

      7 months ago

      Right? its pretty fucking cut & dry.