New Game+ #18

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Ben has prepared his first lesson for our cast to learn Japanese! We start out with some common terms you'll see in video games.

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  • MacPhal FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 weeks ago

    There is a game on Steam called Learn Japanese to survive: Hiragana Battle! 

  • PhantomAC FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Not Otaku, Just Nerd

    2 weeks ago

    I love that RT is making a conscious effort to bridge the language/culture gap with Japan. (Fan Service started this as well.)


    Keep up the boundary-breaking work, you beautiful Nerds!


    Cheers! beers

  • EricHVela FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold http://bit.ly/2xQCPgy

    2 weeks ago

    Looking forward to future lessons. I'm one who feels that one should learn some of the language's primary culture when learning a language. Hopefully, they'll cover the particular styles, formats, history, and habits in Japanese games and gaming. (I know that it will help me retain things better at the least. Then again, I'm old and I need all the help that I can get to retain whatever happened this morning.)

  • Alva FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 weeks ago

    Watching subbed anime/ playing JRPGs with Japanese voices between episodes of this may help them a little. Also, if I remember right Adam has a JP copy of Akiba's Trip.

  • sakurastar FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 weeks ago

    I feel like this is kind of tall order just to play a Japanese imported game. Yes, some of the menus, battle commands etc. may be in katakana but there's going to be a lot of hiragana and kanji for speech and story (unless it's a game intended for children or is a more simplistic game) where you will also need know Japanese grammar and a fair amount of vocabulary and unless you have a guide you're not going to know what the hell's going on or what to do in the game. From my experience of studying Japanese, reading is a lot more difficult than speaking and Kanji is by far the most difficult part of Japanese because there are thousands of characters and at least 2,000 or so that are commonly used that you need to memorise. I learnt a few hundred while I was studying and some of them are fairly easy to learn and remember because they somewhat resemble what they are, such as 中 middle or 山 mountain and some logically combine to make different kanji but a lot of them you just need to memorise which can take a long time.


    Props to you if you decide to keep going, I really enjoyed learning Japanese and I would never discourage someone from learning something new at any age smile


    • NenReaper FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      2 weeks ago

      It's definitely a slow burn on a Japanese game, but do-able! Anyone that wants to play a Japanese game can probably fumble their way through it without understanding the story but enjoying gameplay (that's why I recommended jisho.org and a game like Ni No Kuni that uses Furigana with the Kanji, a slow RPG you can pause and translate as you play). Katakana is more just a start for someone that wants to jump right in and play without worrying about story.

    • PhantomAC FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Not Otaku, Just Nerd

      2 weeks ago

      My Dad, (70's code meister) spent two years in Japan, and only had this to say about the language: "Immerse and memorize."


      It's cultural on such an intimate level, that short cuts do nothing for learning. (Maybe this is one of the reasons they smile fondly on non-Japanese speaking with effort.)


      Cheers for continuing to build bridges.

  • Alaire89 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 weeks ago

    I think this Japanese thingy is a real cool thing, I've also been trying to learn Japanese from quite some time now. But I think it would be better if you make it a separate show/podcast, not a part of the gaming one ^^ 

    Also... I would LOVE to see ya'll trying to learn some Polish phrases :P

  • Quizzical_Quark FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 weeks ago

    nope not my thing

  • Dittohh FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Alex

    2 weeks ago

    I love this! These are actually really making me want to learn Japanese.

  • Zazie122 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 weeks ago

    I like this idea! It's fun seeing people try to learn a language. I've taught myself Japanese over the course of about 10 years and seem to be pretty okay at it, it's a bitch of a language to learn but speaking it is much easier than reading it D:...


    Though, minor error with a typo - it should've been アイテム, but it said アイム (aidemu) for item.

    • NenReaper FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      2 weeks ago

      Oh dang it, you are completely right. It must have auto-corrected when I was creating the graphics.

  • Ryokugan FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold 俺はのんびりやるために生まれてきた。

    2 weeks ago

    どうしてカタカナから始めたの?ひらがなは明らかな出発点だろう。

    • NenReaper FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      2 weeks ago

      Translation: Why start with Katakana? Hiragana would be an obvious starting point.


      Response: I should have clarified (and probably will on the next post show), I recommended someone start with Katakana if they want to dive into a game just to play it for the game play, not necessarily for the story, or for someone who wanted a slow burn to translate on the go but get started. That way they can fumble through menu's until they get to the intuitive part of the gameplay, ignoring the story. We will start on Hiragana with the next lesson!

  • Shmittles FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 weeks ago

    I've actually been learning some Japanese recently and have gathered a list of a few web pages I've found useful


    hiragana/katakana practice (with customizable sets)

    http://www.unckel.de/kanateacher/index-en.html


    counting/numbers

    http://www.japanvisitor.com/japanese-culture/language/japanese-numbers


    colors

    https://www.omniglot.com/language/colours/japanese.htm


    family members

    http://www.learn-japanese-adventure.com/japanese-family.html


    pronouns

    http://www.wa-pedia.com/language/japanese_personal_pronouns.shtml


    basic verb conjigation

    http://www.epochrypha.com/japanese/materials/verbs/

    http://www.japaneseverbconjugator.com/


    You can pretty much find anything if you google it. Including free lessons/courses. The wikipedia pages for a lot of topics are pretty useful as well. You might also want to download/enable a virtual Japanese keyboard so you can easily input Japanese characters (very useful for quickly checking google translate to get a decent idea of some terms). And the Japanese keyboard mechanics are actually super intuitive for us english-typers since you basically just type in the romanji (english char) and it converts to what you want (with some options for katakana and kanji on a drop-down menu).

    はじまろう!!

    • BluntObjekt FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 week ago


      Thanks for those links!     I've used Duolingo to help me navigate the Japanese alphabet in both Hiragana and some Katakana..  Although it doesn't tackle the nuance or actual dialect to pronounce certain nouns and verbs correctly in some cases..  It does prove useful, for memorization in some aspects.  There are also Tiny cards available on the IOS store that work like flash cards.  Thanks to these free online resources, the Glitches can educate each other and learn at a steady pace.    

  • OniZonda FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Hokage

    2 weeks ago

    It's cool that they want to learn Japanese and I'd be interested in it as well, but I kinda feel like this is a gaming podcast and learning a new language should be spun off into a different show (possibly First only) where they sit in a conference room and record a couple minutes (maybe 15-20 tops) each day then compile those into a weekly video. The reason being that it's easy to sit there and repeat the words, it's hard to remember if you're only doing it once a week, especially with so many other things going on every day. It'd be a fun way to educate fans too because then we could learn a bit here and there. Plus you could get the writing portion of it down easier. Not gonna deny that I'm taking it from the idea of a "classroom" environment, but I do feel like a weekly (and short) podcast is a bad way to learn a language for the participants of the show. Using a conference room is pretty much just a substitute for a full on podcast set that everyone would have to deal with every day. You just need to have a couple basic cameras in strategic locations and a small(ish) room where there are few distractions. If you guys made a show that was basically "Let's Learn Japanese" and it was various RT personalities doing an educational podcast with some comedic interjections, I would watch that. I understand that it would probably be less entertaining overall, but that would kinda be the point so long as it's mostly informative or educational. Plus it'd be kinda fun to spot who was at work the day they record a segment cause you would cut between them without stating it. Anyway, that's my thought on this particular concept. I understand it serves a purpose and I'm willing to watch it cause I need to brush up on what I know since it's been so long.

    • Shmittles FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      2 weeks ago

      I'm sure they'll get back to the norm in due time. I think they're just kinda testing the waters for this topic to see if there's enough interest to do something with it. 


      They should probably colaberate with the Fan Service podcast folks since it's just as (if not more so) applicable to that genre. They even discussed some Japanese terminology on the most recent podcast (wonder if that was intentional!).

    • OniZonda FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Hokage

      2 weeks ago

      Yea, fair enough. I was just putting an idea out there that's more than just a simple "hey, do more of this. I like this" I wanted it to be constructive and potentially helpful for what they're trying to accomplish. Perhaps they did have a plan similar to this. But if they didn't, then they could experiment and see what works. Obviously I don't have much insight into the production side of things, but I have started some college level courses on it and I was studying it for a couple years so I have a basic understanding so I'm not completely talking out of my ass (I should get back into it because it seems far more useful these days than ever before). Regardless of what they do though, I'll simply support them by watching what they make

  • RT_Fullmetal FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 weeks ago

    It's slightly less applicable since Gundam Versus just released in English for the PS4, but there are plenty of Gundam games that are only released in Japan that one could learn Japanese to have an easier time playing too.

  • rudykawa FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 weeks ago

    Just to clear that katakana is not only english, it's foreign language. So there will be a lot of words in katakana that english spealers won't be able to sound out like that and quickly understand what it was based on.

    • NenReaper FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      2 weeks ago

      Correct! I was simplifying a little bit just for this first lesson, but I'll clarify the next time we do this! For example:  "Some words with German origin, such as アルバイト (arubaito) from the German Arbeit ("work", "job"); however, in Japan it is used to denote a minor job, e.g., a student's sideline."

  • Sharly FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold PrivateLaughter

    2 weeks ago

    This was really cute. I've been playing the japanese version of some mobile apps for a while now and katakana makes them really accessible so a great start for people with this goal! I'd love for Ben to be visible the next time they do this though :)