Apple Defies US Government Over Privacy

Tech and Science News: Apple Defies US Government Over Privacy

Apple has (respectfully) defied a court order to build a back door into the iPhone's software.

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  • ajsyav FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    I would hope that Apple could just provide the FBI with all of the information on that iPhone and its iCloud account. It did belong to a terrorist after all.

  • Sapphiet

    1 year ago

    It's really hard to say since this is a grey area. Yes Apple is doing a good thing to stop people's privacy from being exposed to cyber criminals and if the FBI do this once the temptation of them doing it again would be highly appealing to them. However at the same time a criminal is getting away with what they have done which leaves more issues and harm than good. So that's where it's hard to say yes or no even though I am leaning to the fact that Apple is trying to protect privacy.

  • adoorable_door FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Chromophobic

    1 year ago

    This is the first and only time Apple is the only logical calternative. go apple!

  • Happilywanderin FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    Serious issue here but seeing Gavin running with the red coats had me in stitches.

  • andymccabe42

    1 year ago

    "And we're not saying their names, 'cause fuck'em!"
    Couldn't be happier than if this were to become the normal.

  • RiverRunning

    1 year ago

    Never thought I'd ever support Apple, but I guess there's a first time for everything... GO APPLE!


    PS The NSA/CIA most definitely have (can get access to) the computing power to crack that phone quicker than they said here but since the CIA and FBI mostly seem to try and hinder each other that won't help the FBI at this point - doh! (*yay* joined-up government and government cooperation... makes you wonder why they think citizens will cooperate with them when they can't cooperate with the department next door (never-mind a different branch!))

  • PinkPlum FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Whale Chief

    1 year ago

    God bless America.........................

  • ZillionJape FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Your best frenemy!

    1 year ago

    I think this is the first time online I've seen this much defense towards Apple. It's just nice to see once in a while.


    Also, yes, absolutely agree with Apple. Fuck that.

  • DanGaudencio FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    meh... fuck apple

  • CalebHorner FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    Go get 'em Apple!

  • Cole5 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Sir Cole!

    1 year ago

    ...I'm rooting for apple? What the fuck

  • dlue2sofu FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    I love how you didnt say their names because fuck them! I totally agree with this.

  • Phatnaru FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    Good for Apple! I just gained so much respect for Apple. Don't give in guys!

    • riddik42 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 year ago

      Completely agree - do not like apple but good for them for recognizing the long run and potential future consequences.

  • Numbers626 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold The Eater of Pies

    1 year ago

    As much as I dislike Apple, I dislike the government trying to stick their dicks into other companies encryption systems even more.

  • OniZonda FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Hokage

    1 year ago

    The argument "If you have nothing to hide, why are you keeping it a secret" is trouble waiting to happen. I would assume most people here are gamers (since the flagship series from RT is based on a video game), and we have some messed up things that happen regularly, and we don't even think about it because it's all fantasy and escapism. The next time you play CS:GO, GTA, Fallout, or any other game that includes words and phrases that could put you on a watch list for uttering them on a plane, remember that the "surveillance" that will be used only for "bad guys" would flag you as a bad guy. Combine that with the PATRIOT Act and you could be sent away for a very long time without a lawyer for a stupid misunderstanding of you talking about a video game instead of real life. In short, I hope Apple stands firm on the subject because it's a problem if law abiding citizens are wrongfully accused of a crime they didn't commit.

    • Cole5 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Sir Cole!

      1 year ago

      I love fucking with their surveillance, Every email (Non professional), has as many scarry buzzwords as i can think og copy pasted at the end

  • bri333865 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    Really hoping Apple wins this, the government has to much acsess to people's personal information and messages as it is, they don't need anymore ways to violate peoples privacy without a reason, cause they not gonna just use it on that single phone if apple loses to the govt, they would use it on everyone 24/7. I've never been a huge fan of Apple products, but really hooping that they win

  • gootm28

    1 year ago

    Instead of having the security bypass installed by default, FBI should request that Apple develop the bypass as a software/hardware patch. Then the process for the FBI to get the bypass would be:

    1. FBI obtains warrant
    2. Apple verifies warrant
    3. Apple applies the patch to the device specified in the warrant
    4. Apple resets any security, and removes patch
    5. Apple returns device to FBI

    The patch code would stay with Apple not the FBI. This would prevent anyone from randomly being able to bypass security as the bypass would not be in place by default. And the FBI would have to go through due process in order to get the bypass applied. This would be similar to the process of getting a wiretap order

    • mattster232 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Can't afford Double Gold

      1 year ago

      That's what the FBI is trying to do. The problem is that once the software is available, and the legal precedent has been set, the amount of cases where this will be used will only increase. It's the same as how agencies had to request data from cell phone carriers, and once they didn't comply, these agencies made it a court order, and eventually a law was passed allowing them to do so as they please. Apple does not want this to happen to encryption which affects almost one billion iphones. Apple's CEO Tim Cook doesn't want the US government to believe that it can make encryption irrelevant because in a time where most of our personal information is online, encryption is a crucial tool to keep people safe.

    • gootm28

      1 year ago

      From the Apple letter it sounded like the FBI wanted them to install a new OS that would stay on the device. The patch I am talking about would be removed before the FBI would get the device back, meaning FBI would never have the ability to use it on their own.

    • Ducckk FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 year ago

      I see where you're coming from, but that would create a devastating precedent. There are some solid restrictions on the governments reach into your personal life, but it would be really bad if the government had a deal with a company (any company) to decide when they deem it necessary to go around your personal security.


      Do I think the government should get access to this terrorist's data? Absolutely, but this situation could very easily lead to a slippery slope. Now it's a terrorist, but how long before it's a suspected terrorist? Or the past friend of a suspected terrorist?

    • DDragon7 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 year ago

      The other problem is, once it exists, it is one step away from falling into the wrong hands and spreading. It only takes one bad apple or one desperate employee for that patch to leave the building.

    • gootm28

      1 year ago

      Now it's a terrorist, but how long before it's a suspected terrorist? Or the past friend of a suspected terrorist?

      Well that's kind of our fault for allowing the Patriot Act, USA Freedom Act, and whatever other act to continue to exist. Those are the acts that bypass probable cause. If we want to stop this type of blanket authority we have to tell our congressman to stop adding and to remove acts that allow for it.


      The other problem is, once it exists,... It only takes one bad apple or one desperate employee for that patch to leave the building.

      Well it can already exist. Any one on the developer team or anyone who has access to the OS code can already just go in, make a copy, modify it, and then compile and release it. Obviously OS companies like Apple and Microsoft have internal measures to help prevent employees from just releasing the source code of their operating systems, otherwise we would probably see more leaks of OS source code. But the possibility of a "bad apple" creating such a patch is already there, they do not have to wait for it to be created, they could create it themselves.

  • HiKingBlaze FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    I have faith in Apple winning this.

  • djking_69 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    i dont get it, why bash the FBI on this. you guys said it yourself it is not that simple.