Windows 10 Will SABOTAGE Steam?

Tech and Science News: Windows 10 Will SABOTAGE Steam?

According to Epic's CEO, Microsoft faked the moon landing and is trying to break Steam for all of PC gamers! This isn't the first time he's criticized Windows 10, but it's certainly the juiciest.

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  • MrGwarkill FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    11 months ago

    Well, since Windows 7 works for me, I'll probably go down kicking and screaming when (something, anything) happens and I have to "upgrade" to a newer version of windows.

    And news like this, even though I will have to keep a keen eye on it, is the type of thing that would finally convince me to move OS. Then again, I'm sure lots of things I would like to play wont run on linux or whatever else is a good option at that time. But I've stuck with PC gaming on windows OS because of the vast amount freedoms both players and developers have.

    (Cause getting my Private Everquest servers to run on other OS is a pain in the ass, Ashley.)

    I don't want to seem like i'm throwing windows out the....window......I just think it is something that should be looked after, seriously, constraints can lead from one to the other and before we know it, my PC could be another glorified console.





  • xZellxKyoux FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    11 months ago

    Man will this was a complete waste of time

  • godzylla FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    11 months ago

    why is it so fun to watch ashley, and gray talk about conspiracy theories?

  • patrickmaher FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Infamous 535

    11 months ago

    Microsoft has enough influence to create a 3-way cross buy between Windows Store, Xbox, and Steam for all games that have been developed for both Xbox and PC platforms. Steam would get nothing because developers can generate as many Steam keys as they want for free. Developers wont like it but I am sure Microsoft can offer some incentive to make them happy.

  • Balarush FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Kneel.

    11 months ago

    What I don't understand is why there's even a fuss. Generally, only achievement hunters like myself will use the windows store as that's the only additional benefit to using it, if I wasn't into achievements like a lot of PC players, I'd be using steam (which I still do from time to time).

    Seems like MS are catering to their own user base, not trying to steal others away.

  • masher14 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Anime Reference

    11 months ago

    Heeey, No Game No Life. Nice taste, Gray.

    • MathewAnders FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      11 months ago

      was gonna leave this comment but youve done it already xD

  • ChromadicCoder FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    11 months ago

    Linux anyone?

    • Orei

      11 months ago

      YOTLD

  • CoffeeBurps FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    11 months ago

    As long as MS fixes their shit with the Windows Store, I dont really care. Make it a good platform and I'm ok with buying games from there rather than Steam. It doesn't really matter where I buy my shit as long as it works. Plus I'd be able to get achievements in the ecosystem that I feel like does the whole achievement thing best. I like there gamerscore idea more than the percentage system of PS trophies. And both XBox achievements and PS trophies are done better than Steam achievements

    TL;DR: as long as MS gets their shit together, I dont really care

  • Dum8kid FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    11 months ago

    I'll put the tin hat on for a minute, it's not unreasonable to think that, that could be a possible goal for Microsoft. They're a company, as a company you have to grow or you die, and for a giant like Microsoft with the most used OS on the planet, it might be hard for them to continue growing, so now they have to grow, by force. Enough of the foil hat, foil hat scares me.

  • Cherry92 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    11 months ago

    The hyper rich whineing that other hyper rich are taking some of their money...


    Humans are the worst

    • Orei

      11 months ago

      This has nothing to do with the rich taking money from the rich. Sweeney has nothing to do with Steam (his games are sold on there, but they would also be sold in the Windows Store if what he thinks will happen happens), he is only an advocate of open development, which the UWP could potentially hinder.

  • FlamingIceGiant FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    11 months ago

    The only thing I hate about Microsoft are the automatic updates for Windows 10.

  • Hunchbunny FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    11 months ago

    Leaving aside the issue of Tim Sweeny's credibility, this news segment came across as "Somebody didn't understand the basic arguments involved, but had to write a script, so just added a lot of off-target hyperbole and false comparisons." :/


    The sentence starting "For some reason it's okay that Steam does it, anyone else trying to do it..." is tantamount to saying "For some reason it's okay to take as many vegetable crops out of the soil as you want, but apparently trying to strip all the topsoil away from the planet Earth is a bad thing! What hypocrisy!" Ridiculous.

    • otters otters are cool, I guess

      11 months ago

      Wow, you fell right into your own argument.

  • EighthLegacy FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    11 months ago

    Sweeny is a fuckin idiot


  • thenewguy95 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    11 months ago

    Devs (both in and out of the games industry) are not big fans of UWP. It's very restrictive and you can't distribute software freely, it has to go through the Windows Store.

  • raulkolk .dll

    11 months ago

    Boy, game developers sure like drama.

  • Kevin_01 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold RT Sponsor

    11 months ago

    With the kind of tactics Microsoft has used with Windows 10, it doesn't seem that farfetched.

    Hopefully that means mah boi Tim will push for official/native support for Vulkan in Unreal Engine.

  • RiverRunning

    11 months ago

    Not worried myself since I learned years ago that Micro$oft is all about the money and nothing about the experience... hence I've been on Linux doing actual work and real things as well as some rather nifty gaming since then... that said it was nice when Steam came along since it makes it a little easier to find Linux games now... oh wait, so Steam will still have a, no two, no wait, how many non MS OS platforms does Steam run on? Enough that they might care about the volume of sales lost but not enough to kill them, especially once the anti-trust case flattens Microsoft and the market leaves Microsoft for something that actually works (be it Linux, Mac, Chrome or whatever other OS exists by then... it's not like many people already don't upgrade their stuff because upgrades from Microsoft are more often downgrades... we've even a laptop that M$ is trying to force upgrade but can't because it would break the machine (it's really old and not at all powerful) but I can no longer turn off upgrades because they patched that out so it can't go on the internet now even though it's Windows 7... watch out for those force upgrades people - they'll even make XP machines do it one of these days!


    In case you don't hink it's possible check out the deal with Dr. DOS! Never mind all the other shit they've pulled... and you worry about oppressive governments *sigh*

  • MartyGras2

    11 months ago

    That is a nice T-Shirt Gray.

    I'm going to wait and see what happens.

  • EricHVela FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Porn Evaluator

    11 months ago

    Microsoft has already stated that they're less confident in the Windows Store for games. Steam is not in danger because Windows Home and Pro will always be a desktop computer. Steam lives on the desktop -- something that UWP cannot touch -- something that Windows cannot destroy as it would destroy the only platform that makes up the PC versatility -- research, development and productivity, which are things that the UWP cannot and can never handle due to the restricted nature of UWP. Desktop apps such as those exist without boundaries thanks to Win64/Win32. MS will not shoot itself in the foot, and by not doing that, Steam will never be in trouble.

  • DavidtheWavid FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    11 months ago

    I'll be hanging onto my Windows 7 discs as long as I can.


    Wait, where did I put them again?!

  • lolsmcfee FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    11 months ago

    at that point in five years il just switch to linux

  • DarkTempler7 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    11 months ago

    I'd honestly welcome this. I personally hate Steam, I only have it because that's more or less the only convenient way to get Paradox Interactive games. So bring on a more unified Microsoft platform.

  • AlthiosGames FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    11 months ago

    I'll just go back to Windows 8.1 if it happens. Nbd.

  • MichaelWaite FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Ponetastic

    11 months ago

    This is not only stupid, it's FUCKING stupid. This guy is basically saying that Microsoft would completely sabotage their own operating system in its entirety solely to destroy Steam. There would literally be no other way for Microsoft to update Windows to hurt Steam than to update it to hurt every process run on Windows. This would utterly destroy any performance the OS has, and also introduce uncountable security holes.


    If Steam ever starts performing worse on Windows 10, that will be entirely on Valve for not updating their code base to meet newer standards before deprecated features are removed entirely. Considering such removals are often announced years in advance of them actually happening, failing to update the codebase would be an exercise in willful stupidity.


    tl;dr: Not only is that CEO an idiot, he's completely out of touch with how the development industry actually works, and should probably be fired before he fucks the entire company he's the CEO of.

    • Orei

      11 months ago

      That's not what he's saying. Read the actual article if you haven't. The Know paraphrases and obviously their take on it will be colored by personal opinions and possibly even by "partnerships." (Such as Microsoft owning Halo)


      Sweeney said "[...] that future updates to Windows 10 could serve to erode the usefulness of third-party applications and storefronts like Steam." It's not like they're directly targeting Steam. What they're doing is attempting to transition (it's hard to refute this, seeing as it was poorly implemented in Windows 8, was largely disliked and still managed to make it into Windows 10) into the Windows Store, which is their own locked down ecosystem. This would make Steam less desirable, since it's now a store in a store (if that would even be allowed by Microsoft and possible in the UWP, seeing as it's used to combat viruses since it's a sandboxed environment.)


      It's ignorant to assume that Microsoft is trying to do good by locking down applications into their own ecosystem - especially with their recent Windows 10 fuck-ups. His points are valid. It's not to say that they are going to happen, but there is definitely a possibility that they are heading in that direction.


      TL;DR: Provably, Microsoft is trying to create a locked down ecosystem that they control. Speculatively, a place where third party stores could have no place. Windows is currently headed towards a locked ecosystem, so his concerns are valid. Don't assume that the man is crazy just because you don't agree with him.