The Patch #58

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The Patch Discusses Phil Fish

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  • JonathanKim

    2 years ago

    Bought Game Dev after seeing Burnie play it. Burnie and the sale price gave me plenty of incentive. Didn't buy Fez because of FIIIIISHH!

  • ledfan

    2 years ago

    BS games are not the most cost-effective form of entertainment... that would be books. Get a nice fantasy epic (used for even cheaper) and dollars per hour it beats a game hands down.

  • Klerik FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 years ago

    I'm real happy for Gavin, but please let's not make Meg a thing.

  • glitch14

    2 years ago

    Why does the patch have the strict 1 hour limit? I mean they always have more to talk about on the patch, while on the regular podcast they go way longer and half the time they are just talking about nothing.

  • TaylorMLG

    2 years ago

    Ashley- a large majority of gamepads used for PC games are Xbox 360 controllers. Some end-users such as myself can't justify the price increase to the One controller, given that both are functionally the same.

    Post edited 7/02/14 5:23PM

  • VultureG5 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Game Developer

    2 years ago

    Finally got around to watching the rest of the patch...after hearing "Phil Fish is an asshole" I'm now an instant Meg fan. smiley0.gif

  • markopalumbo

    2 years ago

    It was super confusing to listen to just the audio because Meg and Ashley sound the same and I couldn't tell who was who.

  • KillaIsDead

    2 years ago

    No girl in a fucking video game, geez shut the fuck up with that people. Just play the damn game, developers did not want to put a chick in a game, OMG END OF THE WORLD! deal with it. The games are going to be good regardless

    • xBu11etSp0ngex

      2 years ago

      Other people have opinions that differ from yours? Shut the hell up. Just listen to the damn pod cast and keep your mouth shut. There is nothing wrong with Ashley and Meg discussing the terrible explanation for why there are no female characters. Whether or not the game will be good is a completely different subject... but don't want to start that argument b/c you seem to be a little sensitive to differing opinions.

  • CoreyHanson

    2 years ago

    I guess I'm weird, because if given the choice I'll usually play as a female character in games. So I get pretty excited when I see a game with female protagonists.
    I am a bit upset with Ubisoft for not including any playable female characters in the game, but hopefully they'll rectify it in they're future games.

    • CoreyHanson

      2 years ago

      My bad, I mean "*their* future games".

  • zackattakc

    2 years ago

    The game Guacamelee has the same game concept from Legacy of Kain: Soul Rever for the Playstation 1. www.youtube.com/watch?v=muSpxd71j5c

  • calcTheta

    2 years ago

    oh god I get a little embarrassed when I think of the how many games I bought because I saw the RT "Let's play" or "This is".

  • Jaamies89 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 years ago

    I'm gonna catch a lot crap for this, but I think Meg needs slow down a bit and keep the super-enthusiast-girl way of talking down. I listen to the Patch in audio format, and she keeps doing this hyper-fast way of talking when she is exited. Ashley doesn't do it, and I think she is great, so this is not a gender biased thing.

    Also I think Ashley and Meg are more "same voice" than Jack+Ryan or Geoff+Burnie.

  • Joseph011296 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 years ago

    Oh and for anyone wondering about the Game Dev Story vs Game Dev Tycoon thing... I've played both and they are almost the same game. the only real difference is that Game Dev Story (By Kairosoft) came out in October 2010, and Game Dev Tycoon (the one Burnie played) first released in December of 2012.

  • Joseph011296 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 years ago

    I kinda agree, co-op should have more options, but the creation of a character is a decently complicated process.
    Though for Ubisoft to complain about not having the resources is so empty, they are one of the largest Game Developer/Publisher's out there, with a large number of hugely popular series.
    Also, is anyone else not super hyped for a game in the French Revolution? Knowing what happens after that (Reign of Terror) I just can't get around the idea that my actions will actually solve anything.

  • xBu11etSp0ngex

    2 years ago

    FEZ was over-hyped and over-rated. It's not a bad game, it's just a bit boring after a while.

  • Untouchable7 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 years ago

    I hope we don't have to talk about female characters again...we get it. I would much rather talk about games then about a failure to put a playable female character in a game.

    Post edited 6/27/14 11:26PM

    • SkyJP

      2 years ago

      I hope I don't see any misogynistic comments on the patch again...we get it. I would much rather talk about issues in the gaming industry than gloss over it.

  • forgottenlor FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 years ago

    I'm also in the camp where I've bought games because of Let's Plays - Minecraft and Game Dev Tycoon being the most notable. Minecraft I'd considered buying before the Let's Plays just because I knew plenty of people and the Let's Plays put me over the top, but Game Dev Tycoon is a game I saw several times on Steam and went "that sounds so stupid" until I saw Burnie play it.

    As for Let's Plays, it really depends on what I'm looking for. Story is a very important to me and there are many cases where I am looking for a Let's Play for the sake of the story. Starcraft II and Halo 2 and 3 I've both watched full-cutscenes for and I've run full play throughs for Mass Effect 3 and Beyond: Two Souls - the entire point of which was to experience the story without the game (normally it's because I'm running it at work and so can't have something I'm focusing on). I own all of these games. Beyond: Two Souls is the only one I didn't own when I saw the Let's Plays. Even more interestingly, I enjoyed the Beyond: Two Souls so much that I bought it even though I've never owned a Playstation. On the other hand, I love just about everything Achievement Hunter puts out including the vast majority of their Let's Plays - but the point isn't what they're playing, it's what they're doing. Their personality shapes the experience, not the game. One needs to look no further than Heists where they've completely changed the complexion of the game.

    Post edited 6/27/14 4:19PM

  • AlphaHex FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 years ago

    I'm not saying Phil Fish isn't an asshole. Need to say that before mounting a defence for him. And also that I like Meg Turney, even if I'm about to disagree quite strongly with her.
    Was his game perfect? Nope. But after watching Meg's video it feels like she's acting like the child she called Fish. This is someone who spent 4 years of message after message complaining that a game he was making basically by himself and had no response other than "I can't make the game any faster". Are gamers the worst group of people? Maybe. Alot of us are nice people, but this is a group that had death threats sent to Call of Duty developers because they altered a guns reload time by 0.2 seconds. When those are the individuals you're hearing from every day, and you don't have a company behind you helping, I can see why you'd learn to hate them. Calling someone a child because they can't shoulder the abuse they're getting is a ridiculous comment. If your friend was getting regular abusive messages, not a single part of you would tell them to stop being a child and ignore them. They shouldn't have to ignore them. In the video it feels very much like Meg is saying 'I got over this shit, so can you' when talking about haters on the internet. A ridiculous response. Different people struggle to different extents with different things. I don't think struggling with something to the point where you decide to give up instead of continuing makes you a child.

    Is he an asshole? Probably, but I'd rather have an asshole being honest than someone lying to try and make me happy. And it sucks that a game developer has stopped making his game because people didn't like the person behind the game.

    • AlphaHex FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      2 years ago

      Just a tiny add on. Fez's average review score according to metacritic is 90.

  • pnut87 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 years ago

    To be fair, the original Ghost Recon had a couple of female characters for your squad, and weren't just a female head on a male body. And as far as AC Unity, I think the biggest problem is just that the initial response was a poor delivery. It could be that they were just so focused on the new guy and making it a good game on a new console, that having a female character didn't cross their minds until it was already too far in the development process.

  • SureNick

    2 years ago

    It's been said about Burnie and Geoff. It's been said about Jack and Ryan. And I could kinda hear it for both, but Ashely and Meg absolutely without a doubt have the same exact voice. Both great people don't mind either on the podcast, but it sounded like Burnie was having a dialogue with someone with multiple personality disorder.

  • BartilFIN

    2 years ago

    I really don't like that you play as the same character in the new AC. To me it makes the coop feel like an after thought. I almost always prefer a separate single player and coop campaign where both of the players are playing different and unique characters. Ubisoft even made the newest Splinter Cell and in that both of you played a different character in the coop only missions AND the missions with optional coop. Really disappointing.

  • cybasheep_ FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 years ago

    The obvious middle ground to the whole Phil Fish & Nintendo vs. Let's Players issue is to expand the concept of performing rights in copyright law to the public live or recorded performance of video games, effectively giving Let's Players the right to stream and record themselves performing video games and give creators and publishers of video games the right to collect royalties from these performances.

    Arrangements like this are not particularly popular in this day and age anymore since they involve administrative overhead, but in my opinion they are preferable to market-domineering platforms such as YouTube getting to determine who gets paid and who does not through mechanisms such as ContentID.

  • travisblinds FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 years ago

    I don't know the gaming industry very well but I can see an opportunity to put a "Buy Now" link on all Let's Play videos on YouTube for the game that is being played. That way you can get a better idea about how many purchases the Let's Plays are driving. The details to this I won't even try to nail down (Would the Let's Players get a cut from each purchase? How would YouTube work out a deal with the producers of the games? etc.). (And maybe this is already being done, I have no clue.)

  • RedPhoenix19

    2 years ago

    I specifically bought Papers, Please because of Gus, Joel and Adam's video. I had never heard of it before that video. I also bought Minecraft as a result the Achievement Hunter let's plays and other let's play series' on YouTube. I am also looking at getting Contagion on Steam during the sale. Let's plays are a form of entertainment and, in many ways, are another form of advertising for the game developers. More people are seeing the game and becoming interested in it. Making the statement that ad revenue from YouTube let's plays should go to the developer is similar to saying that a television station should pay for a game advertisement to be played during their ad breaks.

  • AH_Justicar FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Pirate Captain

    2 years ago

    I don't even know how many games I've bought because of the Let's Plays at this point. My collection would certainly be a good chunk smaller if it weren't for them.
    PS. My Super Meat Boy Chapter 1 run clocked in at 4:07:64

  • TheMisterHolliday FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 years ago

    Fantastic episode. I felt like at times it was a little bit "tangenty" but overall I enjoyed everything that was covered. The best part in my opinion was the contrast between Meg's very strong opinions and Burnie's objective views. Everything worked well together to make an episode in which there was less news about games and more of an open discussion about games. Also go watch the Phil Fish video Burnie suggested. The video brings up some very good points.

  • ArthropodGuy FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Chitinous

    2 years ago

    I actually got into Minecraft from the Let's Plays as well (and Trails, Broforce, Loadout, and The Forest). The videos bring out some very interesting aspects of the game, be they intentional or not, or they give me a look into a game that I may not have heard of otherwise. This helps me build up interest to try to play those games and I usually enjoy them.

    • TheMisterHolliday FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      2 years ago

      I also get games after seeing them played by Roosterteeth personalities. Sometimes because the game looks fun and interesting, but also because they can be god awful at a game and I'd like to see if I can play it any better.

  • SidewalkSeal

    2 years ago

    Can we stop talking about female characters? We understand, you're upset.

    • SkyJP

      2 years ago

      Can you stop talking about what you don't like? We understand, you're upset.

    • Powerquick

      2 years ago

      It's a podcast about video games and the representation of Women is a legitimate issue.

  • AloysiusZero

    2 years ago

    I have a strange feeling that one of AC5s DLC will be a story dlc from a female perspective and they wanted to keep it under wraps as a surprise and that is why they made their comments to deflect from the subject. Now when they release it, it will come off more as an apology rather than something meant to be a surprise....they do say the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

    • AloysiusZero

      2 years ago

      Haha and they say the road to a good night is paved through the first free drink.

    • TheMisterHolliday FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      2 years ago

      If this happens and you called it, I will buy you a drink.

  • Burnt2Shreds Metal Gear

    2 years ago

    Regarding AC Unity, there are possible difficulties regarding the fact that so many people from so many of Ubisoft's studios work on their games. With that many people collaborating on a project, having to relay information back and forth and having to stay up to date, deadlines to meet, etc., the development of new models and animations may not as simple as some people would like to think. If they did start on a new female character and animation set at this point in time, I'm not sure it would be of good quality compared to the rest of the game.

    • TheMisterHolliday FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      2 years ago

      My big issue with the AC series right now is that they are pumping out a game every year. Maybe if they were actually allocating time more productively, if that is their issue. I agree that the character would probably not be as good quality but I think it's more about their disregard for female characters in the first place. Even if they did add a female character now, they would be attacked for pandering.

  • WIlhelmgrimm

    2 years ago

    Love team same voice 2.0, but I can't get past how for two weeks in a row Assassins Creed Liberation (PS Vita/360 Arcade) is glossed over as if it never happened. Whole game featuring a female protagonist Avaline de Grandpre. Maybe it's the fact that AC3 was so awful that anything attached to it gets forgotten.

    • glitch14

      2 years ago

      Well yeah if they point out the fact that they already tried a female assassin (of mixed race) and the game did not sell well it hurts their point. Don't get me wrong Liberation did not have the marketing other AC games had and was only on the Vita at first. But still it released on the major consoles and still was still just considered ok.

      I mean people always ask for female characters, and their should be more, but ask much a people ask for female, I see no praise for games that do have female leads and there does not seem to be a people who will actually buy a game just to play as a female.

    • AeronBlade FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      2 years ago

      It doesn't promote Meg and Ashly's feminism point of view if you point out the fact that they DID make a female lead in the past. That FACT doesn't help them push the "Ubisoft is a women-hating piece of shit company" theme that seems to be the major of the patch these last two weeks. I'm all for equal gender main character games, i.e. Mass Effect, but this is getting a little heavy handed.

    • AloysiusZero

      2 years ago

      It was mentioned briefly in passing.

  • Rayla FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold House Funhaus ​​​

    2 years ago

    I really loved this episode of the Patch, Ashley & Meg are a great combo & hope we see more episodes with them

  • CameronBonha

    2 years ago

    I can just imagine Bungie stopping by 343 and being like, so uh how's the Halo 2 coming along

    • AloysiusZero

      2 years ago

      Obviously I think the big selling factor in The Master Chief Collection will be Halo 2, I think everyone agrees on that. What I will find amusing though is that if somehow The Master Chief Collection out does Destiny in sales.(I know very doubtful because of platform restrictions and what not.) In any case it would mean that Bungie essentially got beat by their own game. I find the thought amusing.

    • CameronBonha

      2 years ago

      EDIT: Halo 2 Anniversary

  • AloysiusZero

    2 years ago

    I agree games without cases freak me out.

  • Redlac

    2 years ago

    I like Phil Fish. Why are people so mad if it was their hate that made him famous?

    • TheMisterHolliday FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      2 years ago

      Watch the video in the link dump that Burnie mentioned. It really highlights everything about the situation.

  • Survivalist FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 years ago

    OK i was looking in the link dump for megs video about why she thinks Phil Fish is an ass. Anyone care to pleasure me in the non-sexual nature as to find where this video is? I'm so intrigued!

  • stargazerRJL

    2 years ago

    Meg's hair <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3

    • TheMisterHolliday FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      2 years ago

      Agreed.

  • Misiakk

    2 years ago

    Meg again? Don't like it.

    • Misiakk

      2 years ago

      The annoying part is "everything is exciting" talk.

    • TaylorIdku

      2 years ago

      RobertNorton, she has no factual opinions. So are you trying to be ironic?

      "It is terribly annoying to hear people, with knowledge of a given industry, share their factual opinions"

      We can both agree that it would not be terrible if this was actually the case with Meg's appearance on the patch. But it's not. Even your ironic statement is just plain un-true. She has added even less depth than Burnie's girlfriend does to each conversation. Which is quite a feat.

    • xBu11etSp0ngex

      2 years ago

      SidewalkSeal, You are absolutely right. It is terribly annoying to hear people, with knowledge of a given industry, share their factual opinions. I would much rather hear the opinions of those that complain about factual opinions.

    • TheMisterHolliday FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      2 years ago

      I think that it's just been a feminism heavy couple of weeks. I've followed Meg over from Sourcefed and while she is very opinionated, she knows her stuff, in gaming and feminism. Give her some time. This is only her second or third week anyway.

    • SidewalkSeal

      2 years ago

      I wouldn't care if she wasn't so absolutely adamant on her opinions, shes very outspoken in the podcasts, which allows for some really annoying conversations, did you see when Burnie brought up the point about the a voice acting team? Meg used a really isolated example to defend her opinion. From what I can see, Meg is just trying to preach about gender equality and feminism on the patch, which I support, but the patch is not the place for it. Two weeks in a row talking about female character models is too much.

  • SporkVoltage

    2 years ago

    About Evolve, it looks pretty cool, but I am not majorly interested in the whole 4v1 style. I hope there is more to the game than that.

    • glitch14

      2 years ago

      I like the idea but, with anything multiplayer one person can mess it up pretty quickly. Sound like if one of your team members is not doing their job then the match will be extra hard, while if the monster does not know what they are doing it will be too easy.

    • TheMisterHolliday FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      2 years ago

      Everyone has been hyping it, and now I agree with Burnie that people will just have to get their hands on it to actually see if it's going to be good.

  • Tathie Vox Machina

    2 years ago

    Meg is great!

    • TaylorIdku

      2 years ago

      You're delusional. She is opinionated, but all of them are wrong, not backed up by facts or basic tenets of logic.

    • TheMisterHolliday FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      2 years ago

      Agreed.

  • Freeze7 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 years ago

    Fish needs to get over himself, he makes one no good game and he thinks what he says is important.

    • TheMisterHolliday FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      2 years ago

      You should watch the video Burnie suggested. I also thought that Fish was just an asshole but that video made me think a lot deeper into the situation.

  • VIPonSWOLE FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 years ago

    Team Same Voice 2.0