We Demand a Refund! - #171

The Patch: We Demand a Refund! - #171

Join Ashley Jenkins, Burnie Burns, and Mica Burton as they discuss video game refunds, physical vs digital copies, controversies, and more on this week's The Patch! This episode originally aired on August 31, 2016. Sponsored by Casper (http://bit.ly/2bBXb8f) and MVMT Watches (http://bit.ly/29xlwX4)

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  • farson135 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    7 months ago

    I always laugh in a sad way whenever they talk about digital vs physical goods. Why? Because my home town is two hours south of Austin and we cannot get an internet connection (aside from satellite internet which is both expensive and shitty).


    Why don’t people in my home town by digital goods? Because they can’t. It really sucks in the age of constant game updates and Steam but we deal with it (luckily I do not live there anymore).


    It is funny how easily urbanites forget about the problems of people in rural areas. There is a constant refrain in my town about how, while we drive on dirt roads and our paved roads go to hell, our tax dollars are going to fix potholes in Austin. Think about that the next time Burnie or whoever complains about not having gigabit internet.

  • CJM3407 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    7 months ago

    I agree with the No Man's Sky refund is a little bullshit when someone has logged 40+ hours. But the problem with Pokemon Go is they have literally gone backwards in the game: Removing multiple features and most importantly removing tracking. You cannot play P:Go unless you are in a populus park with a lot of lures. The most fun component of the game was seeing a rare pokemon on your nearby and tracking it down with friends, but now it is just a shot in the dark where they are.

  • demonhaze FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    7 months ago

    They always complain about selling a game on with no money going to the publisher, but at least it's nothing like a refund, where that's a negative sale for them.

  • Ormus FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    7 months ago

    I'm putting the blame on the consumer.
    We've seen procedural generation: Spore.
    No Man sky is just a prettier version, with extra features.
    I got and played No man Sky knowing next to nothing about what was supposed to be in it, and I'm loving the game so far, it's actually surpassed the little hype I was exposed to.
    Now, I can completely understand people wanting refunds when the game is buggy, super laggy, or completely unplayable. But if the experience is running as intended, and you just don't like it? Suck it up buttercup, should've done more research.

    • DarkTempler7 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      7 months ago

      While I agree, from what I've seen NMS has fewer features then Spore. At least with Spore you did have something outside the space stuff, even if most of the other phases of the game were really short.

  • AndyZCab FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    7 months ago

    That was surprising to me that Ashley bought the collector's edition of No Man Sky but only receive the code to the game and have to wait to receive the model of the spaceship which does not have a confirmed release date.


    As they have pointed out that we bought collector's editions of a video game due to extra stuff that comes with it since it. For example, I have bought collector's editions of Assassins Creed 2, Grand Theft Auto 5 and Just Cause 3.


    However, they are usually package together with the game to be sold to consumers upon launch. So, it is very unusual for Hello Games to release a collector's edition of No Man Sky to consumers without the extra stuff that comes with it. Consumers might felt cheated that they have paid more for it and ended up just receiving the game when they could have save the money and pay for the game only. Hello Games could have just push back the release of the collector's edition to a later date.


    Granted, there are some who do not mind to wait for the model spaceship to arrive but, I hope it does not get to the point where they might be another delay to the release the spaceship model or they have to pay extra, which can lead to refunds, as said in the podcast.

  • MartyGras2

    7 months ago

    Burnie is on the patch again. Yay!

    It is always lovely to see you on it. I've missed you.


    I actually bought a physical version of minecraft for the xbox 360 because my Internet at the time was terrible and would take a very long time to download it.


    Great guess Mica on minimum wage.


    For betas, I guess they haven't learned what a beta is. Some people haven’t been in the gaming culture and don’t know what to expect because they didn’t experience it back in the day. I remember a number of people making fun of me because I play video games.


    Peyton & Eddy are on :). Nice to put face to go with the name.


    Partial refunds are a good idea. Technology, well anything has depreciation value. People can argue that software can depreciate as well. So the amount of time that you have spent playing that game would dictate how much you would get back for a refund. So a game that was played for a few minutes would get more than a game that was played it for hours on end. Even though digital games don’t necessarily break down the more you use them like say a car would, but it seems like the best idea I have found.


    For the time being always remember the old saying "Buyer Beware."


    The trouble is about a used market is making a profit off someone's work. I heard about a used digital music store 5 years ago (It is an online store where you sold music that you bought and downloaded. Like eBay but with used digital music) that was in Europe but was stuck in legal battles and then silenced by the record companies. So doing a used market on copyrighted material is dicey at best.

  • ZeroHowl FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    7 months ago

    On buying physical - maybe this is just an issue in Australia, but I can pick up a copy of a new AAA title for sometimes as little as 70AU, where on XBone or PS4 it will be over 100AU. That's a major factor in my decision. If it weren't I'd probably go full digital.


    EDIT: I guess Ashley kind of covered this. Also Burnie's right that our minimum wage is higher (roughly $13USD), which is corollary with our currency being worth less. But also, US minimum wage laws are sort of fucked.

  • AlphaHex FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    7 months ago

    Why can't I change the video quality? Why have you taken away features on a video player???

  • Neville91 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    7 months ago

    Rent a game then buy it if you like it, problem solved.

    If you bought a game and don't like it, thats unlucky you don't deserve your money back.

  • Ryokugan FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold 俺はのんびりやるために生まれてきた。

    7 months ago

    To be honest, I kind of like to have a physical copy. That said, I buy a lot of digital games, but usually only when I can get it for a cheaper price than a physical copy. With preorders, I generally don't preorder games unless it's either a tried and true franchise (Halo and GTA come to mind), or it's a port of a game that I already know is good (and even then, usually I just wait to see how well recieved it is.)

    One thing I absolutely love to have physical copies of is books. eBooks are nice and conveinient, but damn it I don't love having a full shelf. That goes especially true for light novels and manga. I've spent so much money on full series on Amazon Japan. (Like all of Death Note (12 volumes) for 900 yen I got a few months back. Too irresistible.)

  • TheMeta88 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    7 months ago

    So while Mica can sit there and say, "Hey, it wasn't my thing so I sucked it up. You do the same." I'd say, idiot, you wasted your money.


    But personally I've never returned a game because it wasn't my thing. I do my best to know going in whether or not a game is something I'll be interested in.


    Where we've seen huge blowback repeatedly in recent years is where consumers play "fill in the blank" with what a video game will be. Case in point is No Man's Sky. To a lesser extent Watch Dogs and Destiny were also like this. But to be fair, Watch Dogs was a flat out lie when it was first shown. Destiny they kept tight lipped about. No Man's Sky was lies as well but people believed the lies without the proof and made the game they wanted in their minds. Then reality punched them in the face.


    How do we fix this. Starting at refunds is like focusing on abortions when it comes to birth control. It's the last ditch effort. Start sooner. Educate the consumer. Be very clear about EXACTYL the value proposition of your game and what they can do. Be that in early review copies, giving it to streamers early, and demos. Do your best to inform everyone because sadly some eight to fourteen year old is sitting at home and finds a YouTube video or TV commercial and is blown away but don't know enough to figure out that what they're seeing isn't real.


    As far as play time and refunding. It's tough. What's a 100 hours in No Man's Sky? That SOUNDS like a lot but then you remember just how many planets there are to explore. 100 hours seems like a lot but perhaps it isn't at all.


    I also wonder if those people played past the two hours, said fuck it I can't get a refund anyway, so TRIIIED to make the most of it. Once they could get their money back they did. And maybe those 100 hours were filled with bugs and technical issues so they could have still been well within their right to a refund.


    • DarkTempler7 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      7 months ago

      Totally agree. The only Time I've ever wanted to get rid of a game because I flat out hated it was Sonic 06, and I totally accept it was my fault because I got it in 2010. Even then I only traded it in for store credit.

  • SirDubbington FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Of The Red Mountains

    7 months ago

    There's been loads of games that I've purchased where I was not satisfied after playing, returning some games after playing all the way through, but those were physical copies. Steam has refunded me only 2 games I can remember but No Man's Sky was not one of them. I've played for over 30 hours hoping that the game would get better, but so far for me it has not. I refuse to get a refund because I know I got a lot of play time out of it and it would disrespectful to the developers of the game to do so. I'll probably come back to it in a while but for now I'll just go back to Fallout 4 and play the Nuka-World DLC.

  • AFLoneWolf

    7 months ago

    Digital streaming is fine if you have adequate memory, bandwidth, and connectivity. If you have any problems with any of those three, you're fucked. With a disk, you don't need anything but electricity.


    I buy physical media because I want to watch it if I don't have access to high speed internet. I don't need anyone else's permission. I don't have to wait for verification from a server that may go down at any time for any reason. There's no buffering. There's no ads. There's no reliance on anything or anybody except power. I can do whatever I want with my property in any manner I see fit. And there's no one can do anything about it.I won't buy a game unless I can play it offline by myself. It's why I play games in the first place. To shed all connection with the outside world and just immerse myself in another universe.


    I swear every time RT goes on about stuff like this (Burnie especially) they seem like ultra-privileged know-it-alls who completely forget there are people who can't afford most of what they take for granted as part of their daily lives.


    And yes, I am aware of what that makes me sound like coming from an anonymous internet commenter on an online video I chose to watch that was available for free.

    • Baldur5 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      7 months ago

      As much as I love them, I feel the same way. The people at RT live in a bubble, and I understand it's probably difficult for them to see that bubble.

  • idiocity FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    7 months ago

    Mica, thank you. I bought my Xbox One with the Sunset Overdrive set and I was let down with Sunset Overdrive. It came to the point where I would rather sit in my room and be bored than play Sunset Overdrive. Glad to see someone else also didn't like the game.

  • FearNoTaco46 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    7 months ago

    Whoever wrote that mvmt ad needs to be kicked in the shin because it makes me not want buy a watch from a company that allows that stupid fucking thing to exist.

  • pharp FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    7 months ago

    When I was thinking of a solution for refunds/reselling games digitally I kept thinking of the pokemon trading system from the games. Where if you have say No Man's Sky you could go to a digital hub in Xbox or online or something and say No Man's Sky its worth 60$ I'm looking for a game also worth $60 someone can come up and say I have this Fable game that retailed for $60 do you want a trade? and then a trade happens where you got rid of a game you didn't want and got a game that was intersesting to you. Alternatively if its been a few weeks or no one is taking you up on an offer like with houses you can say ok No Man's Sky it was bought for $60 but since no one wants it so far ill take a game that's worth $30 and then a trade could still happen.

  • OnlyAverage FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    7 months ago

    I get physical if I don't think its a game that will have much longevity. Like a COD game, I would get physical, where as a game like Skyrim, I'd get digital. That way when I'm done with it, I can trade it in and build up credit for a new game, instead of being stuck with a game I don;t want to play. The only exception is with games I'm wanting the collector's edition, like Witcher 3.

  • OffBeatDuckie FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    7 months ago

    The splash screen idea is the way to go. But I would add that you only get $40 back in credit off a $60 game. The $20 plus should go to the developers because the $40 will most likely force you to purchase something from the service which sold the game to you. This way those services and developers aren't crying about how this system is "killing the industry". But I think no service will do this. To be honest video games is like 1800's tonics it promises to cure all dieases and make you stronger. But when your grandpa dies of a stub toe because the tonic thinned out his blood the salesmen is long gone disguised as someone else with a new company selling the same old shit.

  • PrimalChaos FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    7 months ago

    When I read the We demand a refund I read it in my head in Ryans voice for some reason

  • crovvv FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold The All-Father

    7 months ago

    If you buy games quite a while after they're released, they're waaaaay cheaper to buy pre-owned physical than digital. Like, it's the difference between paying $60 for a game or paying $15-$20.

    • OnlyAverage FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      7 months ago

      I got Mad Max for $8 at a redbox when it was still about $23 at local game stores

  • Welshnel Nelli

    7 months ago

    I still buy physical disk games on consoles because they tend to be around £20 cheaper than if I were to download them(£60 £70 for download, compare to £30 £40 for physical copy). PC downloads will always tend to be a lot cheaper. If the prices were better on PSN/Xbox live, I would happily download games.

    • supman34 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      7 months ago

      This is why I tend to buy new games on console physically as well (though in Aussie dollars its $100 down to ~$77 :P). Part of the reason I prefer digital for multiplayer games though is I think it is technically possible to play one copy on two consoles with a home xbox (or something). Now I finally have enough internet to download without worrying about data limits and having Xbox Gold I think I've moved more towards digital.

  • Reptiledisfunction FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    7 months ago

    A classic three man patch... or a two women and one man patch

  • AaronKochummen FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold That guy from that thing

    7 months ago

    Emmy nominated Burnie Burns, Anti-hypeman

  • fergotronic FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    7 months ago

    I think the only time games need to be refunded is if they just don't work. Everything else can be avoided if you just wait to see what the game is like once it's out.

  • FearNoTaco46 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    7 months ago

    the longer it's been the more I miss meg

  • Rocktober FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    7 months ago

    Anti-hypeman Burnie needs to be a RTAA

  • Zazie122 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    7 months ago

    I really like Mica... She's gorgeous and funny and I'm hoping she'll be in more RT/AH stuff, I know people are nasty to her in comments and it puts her off (and I don't blame her!) but I'd definitely be up for her being an on-screen regular.

    • otters otters are cool, I guess

      7 months ago

      I like her too but the way she sort of takes over and has an entire conversation alone can be a bit annoying. Other than that though I think she's a really cool person and she adds a lot to RT. Having a dedicated streamer is such a smart move, if not somewhat late, as streaming is hugely popular. Hopefully they invest some money into a better area for her as it just looks like a closet.

  • AminoC FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    7 months ago

    I would love to see demos and trials again! I bought Doom and FireEmblemAwakening after having played their demos.

  • GabrielChris

    7 months ago

    Complains about Avatar: TLAB movie... Says not to complain about Ghostbusters ruining a series...

  • Nashlxix FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    7 months ago

    No Gus, No Ryan... Still a great episode.

  • Enigmatic_Eagle FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Commenting Extraordinair

    7 months ago

    Ashley did a great job as host! I haven't caught the patch for the last few weeks and it seems considerably different now, but I think I'm ok with it

  • Uncharted13 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold vault hunter

    7 months ago

    I disagree with refunds in general unless for games that are broken. If you purchase and play a game and you decided you don't like it you should have done more research about the title, the developer and the news about the game and if you do get a refund it should be subsided , if you preorder a game and want a refund you should not be allowed, you put your money where your mouth is, you decided to preorder the game with less knowledge of the game because you had faith you were going to like it.


    also best thing about physical media is that 20% from some retailers.

    • Stunning FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold An Ancient Demon, Awoken

      7 months ago

      "The news about the game" can lie. If you take No Man's Sky, so much that was in the trailers is not in the game. If you preordered it, yes you had less knowledge, though, the knowledge you did have was false. Researching a title assumes that someone else already bought it, so your logic is already flawed in that someone must purchase the game in order to spread information about it. I do agree that in most circumstances, if you preorder a game, you shouldn't be able to return it, but false advertising is a completely different story--preorder or not.

  • SILENTFIGHT899 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    7 months ago

    why does everyone think they lied when they even said in a interview that not everything that we want will be in the game at launch but will eventually be in it. The gamer community is toxic and needs to start doing research about this shit because its ridiculous how the gaming community is now

    • SILENTFIGHT899 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      7 months ago

      https://youtu.be/4L-H1bxMwy0

  • Senri FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    7 months ago

    It seems that a lot of the emotion and passion driving the desire for refunds is due to developers creating expectations and hype that they failed to meet. Every example game presented (No Man's Sky, Pokemon Go, ME3) faced outrage because there were expectations, both explicit ("It's a multiplayer game", "There are events! You can battle your friends!", "There are 16 different endings. All unique!" respectively) and implicit ones (a stable experience, you can play when you want, etc.), that were hyped up and fell through. Refunds simply seems like a symptom; it's one method consumers are using to communicate with devs. We vote with our money and as refunds become easier to obtain, they gain traction.

    It seems disappointment from "this experience is not for me" has significantly less emotional motivation behind it, as consumers don't feel like they were lied too. We're not angry if Dark Souls is too hard because there were no expectations of it being a kind game. Devs and the marketing teams behind them need to stop promising what they know to be false.

  • Duckage89 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    7 months ago

    As we move forward with more and more digital content, i think we'll move away from the concept of 'ownership'.


    For example, Netflix and other streaming services.

    You don't own any of the movies or shows but you are opened up to a huge catalog of things for cheaper than a single DVD each month.

    Why not have a similar thing for videos games? I know games are a vastly different creature and would need a vastly different model to make it viable for developers, but think of the more games you would play simply because you had access to them for less money.

    It's not an investment, it's a day trip to games land.

  • DKong27 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    7 months ago

    Fable 2 is probably the last game I was really excited for. Not from any marketing or hype (which I never really saw), mainly because it was a sequel to a great game. Bought it very early.

    Not that it was horrible or anything, but it just didn't appeal to me the way the first did. 3 on the other hand...

  • shinigami244 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    7 months ago

    The problem with No Man's Sky is that they literally lied to consumers about what was in the game. Dark Souls doesnt lie to the consumer.

  • Kaotix FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    7 months ago

    Burnie the anti-hype man would be a great RT Short

  • Antoniobp

    7 months ago

    I purchased NMS on GOG(Good old games) on the day of launch because of their refund policy and due to the bad PC performance I'd been hearing. Despite having adequate specs it ran alright, not horrible. I put 20 hours into it and while I had some fun it was very disappointing. So I requested a refund based off the technical difficulties, GOG will work with you to help tech issues, and false advertising. I followed the game through development and knew what it was I was getting into. But they did lie and mislead consumers. On the store page, both Steam and GOG, they still use the 2014 trailer and screenshots which are not representative of the game. It's okay that's a game changes through development but you should make sure the consumer is aware and not market that old, idealistic build. I also waited two weeks for patches and updates from Hello Games which also were disappointing. GOG accepted my request and I chose to get store credit.

  • bobbychez FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Goes To Eleven

    7 months ago

    Can't wait to see the anti-hype man short starring @burnie ! So hyped!

  • AmiralPatate FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    7 months ago

    "It's not a demo."


    It is though. They call it "beta" to remind you it's not the final product but demos back in the day weren't all final builds either. The industry is essentially rewriting the definition of a beta. Don't get me wrong, that doesn't give you the right to act like you're owed something because you're playing for free, but they're still demos.


    On an unrelated note, you can find pretty much any big title physical on PC if you're ordering online. I preordered GTA V PC on Amazon for 40€ (instead of 60 on Steam). The main reason I look at physical releases is price, and in the case of GTA I'm all about dat poster/map. I mean, you can't say no to a 7 DVD install.

  • Zev_06 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    7 months ago

    I say as long as developers/publishers are pushing for people to pre-order their games, consumers should be able to hold them more accountable to their advertising by having more leeway to return the game should they feel the game did not deliver as advertised.

  • ChillOut28 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    7 months ago

    sooo based on Mexicos minimum wage (around $4 US per day), I'd have to play No man's sky for about 355 hours to get to $60, yay me :(

  • NaRu7o FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Hokage

    7 months ago

    @7:00 it kinda looks more like a triangle from down here.

    • NaRu7o FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Hokage

      7 months ago

      also @57:40 furor: "an outbreak of public anger or excitement."

      You did use a word that can work, even if it sounds wrong.

  • cak100 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    7 months ago

    I would like to see a Burnie the anti hype man gif. Thank you internet.

  • reblwhttiger FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    7 months ago

    I used to be all about physical discs because I liked having the shelf but my household has become purely digital for a few reasons. 1. I no longer work at a large blue colored electronics store. 2. I am lazy and like being able to change games without moving from my spot on the couch (The Gus reason). 3. I have a toddler and after she walked up and ejected the disc for a game that me and my wife were playing, that pretty much put the final nail in the coffin on physical game purchases from that point forward.

    On another note I think Microsoft's original plan for the xbox one was a good one but mishandled by their PR department. From the press releases that I read the reason for the connected part was to just check to make sure you still owned the games you were playing since their initial plan was every game be it digital or physical you would have a cloud version you could play on non home consoles without fully downloading it on another console. It seemed like they were going to make it where you could sell digital games to other people and I think that is where their message got lost. The PR department was thinking all digital so when they said you could loan games to your friends but they had to be on your friends list for so much time first they were thinking the digital copies. The online check was to make sure say you handed your disc to your friend as soon as it loaded up in their machine you would no longer have access to that digital copy. Basically so you couldn't buy a game then turn around and pass it along to a bunch of your friends so they would all have copies with only one person having paid for the game.

  • WillB94 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    7 months ago

    Ashley you were fight, furore is a word!! Very different from Fuhrer though (and fervour)

  • Glitterholic FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Zombie

    7 months ago

    What if digital games had partial refunds like physical copies? For instance, you play a game, complete it and you can either keep it in your storage to play again later or resell your "used" game to the service from which you purchased it (or even a friend!) for partial credit because you played the game through. Better than nothing, the developer should be keeping some of the sale and your buddy got the game discounted! Win-win-win, right? There should be like a digital second-hand market...
    That'd be crazy; none of it's real! I'm with the suck-it-up crew.

    • DarkTempler7 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      7 months ago

      I think there were rumors that Microsoft was planning to do something like that with the XB1 not terribly long ago.

  • Matt317 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold the guy

    7 months ago

    The concept of people wanting physical over digital is not as strange or foreign as y'all would think, especially in the realm of game collecting. As a collector myself, I try to get physical versions of games whenever possible. When I buy digitally it's usually because A) there's no other physical version B) I've never played the game and want to try it out cheaply when it's on sale or C) I already have the physical game but want the digital version cheaply on sale so I can preserve the physical copy from wear and tear.


    Even if I buy a game digitally initially, I'll still go buy the physical version later in the future, just like recently with Rocket League, Ori and soon with Killer Instinct. In some instances, this rule for me even applies to PC games, though it's typically with newly released games.


    Not only do I like owning a game that's physical, but I also like to collect knowing that some of what I own could be part of gaming history 10 to 20 or even 30 years from now.

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    7 months ago

    You do get to bring shoes back at LL Bean. They take anything back.