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  • TheSoulforged FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    7 months ago

    Oh man! I was seriously happy when Enslaved: Odyssey to the West hit Steam as a port. And then never played it. Hmm, I should do that...

  • alatyr13 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    7 months ago

    I just wanna say that I bought Fantasy Life because Ashley recommended it in the past, and I was not disapointed. It's a really fun game that lets you take your class path into your own hands!!

  • DavidtheWavid FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    7 months ago

    First of all, I think Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 2 is seriously underrated, but that's not my pick.


    Song Summoner: The Unsung Heroes. It was a strategy RPG for iPod Classics and Nanos, later ported to iPhone (but removed in May) where you import your favorite songs and it uses some algorithm to create sort of pawns to fight with, but you could also use the main character Ziggy and his cyborg-bird-human-friend-thing Z.E.R.O any number of times. 


    The story was campy as hell, but good considering it was a game for a non-gaming device in the 2000s. And the soundtrack... My God, the soundtrack... As Ziggy, you're on this quest to save your little brother from being cyber-lobotomized by Full House, Straight Flush, and Number 42, these giant cyborg people removing musical talent and creativity from people. Later on in the story, there were two guys, Seattlite and Golden Wing, that joined you but could only do two battles in the entire game. "Seattlite" had this epic move called Purple Rain that just rained arrows down on everyone and could basically kill everyone but bosses in a single move. Don't remember Golden Wing's special move. 


    They ditched the sequel and just rewrote the story, ruining the entire point of one of the characters. Still mad about that.



  • jYjrNiceGuy FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    7 months ago

    my obscure game that I hope comes back but prolly wont was Arcanum: OF Steamworks and Magick Obscura. I remember having a lot of fun...maybe I should go back a check to see if I liked it.

  • Quizzical_Quark FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    7 months ago

    A question for maybe a future post show: Gaming has reached a point in entertainment where it easily finds a place next to television, movies and books in regards of storytelling. We've got some of the best fiction in the Witcher, Fallout, Mass Effect and other titles. But compared to those other areas in entertainment there are still a lot of blank spots in the range. Do you believe there's room for drama content in gaming, or maybe even non-fiction historical content as we see it in books and movies? Will we ever have gaming equivalents of The West Wing, 12 years a slave, All the president's men, ... It might be me just getting old, but I would love to see gaming mature with content in a more serious tone that doesn't need action to drive the game. 

  • Quizzical_Quark FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    7 months ago

    There are quite a few games I love that seem to be obscure in the RT community, but one in particular. I have more than a thousand hours in Crusader Kings 2 (strategy game that generates amazing RPG content), it's not nearly as intimidating as many people claim it to be, even though it has an initial bump to start of because it's different from most games in the genre we're used to. I recommend watching a youtube tutorial, but you don't need to know everything to enjoy the game. The politics and intrigues of a song of ice and fire in a historical game format (it has a great game of thrones conversion mod too). 

    An account of one of the games I played: I was living my life as a queen in a divided Spain, divided after my father died splitting up the country in three small kingdoms, ruled by myself and my two brothers. Soon enough there was an assassination attempt on my life, my ambitious brother was trying to take away my lands! Lacking in power the best course of action was to marry my brother uniting two of the three kingdoms, so we could defend ourselves better. We murdered our brother by poisoning him, unfortunately his wife already gave birth to twin boys. So the country had an heir and our claims to the throne faded. We knew it was only a matter of time the boys would come of age and avenge their father, I needed an heir, and fast. As it goes in a sister brother relationship, our firstborn had the inbred trait, unsuitable for ruling the lands successfully, but what are you going to do... Things changed with our second son, a genius child destined for greater things, unfortunately the succession laws dictate the next king would be our oldest inbred son... So what do you do at this point, you kill your first born, unfortunately word got out and I became the kinslayer, upsetting my people with a lot of civil war I had to crush down. After years of murder, my genius son reached the age of 16, so I found him a suitable wife. Sure the girl was only 5 at the time, but she would guarantee us an alliance with the French king. Before I got to witness the results of my scheming, the plague had caught me and I died an early death, leaving my kingdom in the hands of my 18 year old son. Soon I found out he liked the boys more than he liked the girls, not exactly ideal for guaranteeing offspring, but the day came his betrothed was old enough to marry. And they were seemed to be the perfect match, as she was as gay as he was, resulting in the end of my dynasty...


    I mean, what more do you want from a game... This game is hard to get into, but easy to enjoy, hard to master. The thing that trips up most people is the fact that you can't just attack a country, you need a good reason to justify the war. Well good is relative as you can fabricate a claim on the lands, but you need to put time and energy in that. Other reasons are the historical, once you own more than half the land of a historical country you can wage war to unite the country, you can fight siblings trying to reunite the lands of your parents, and many more. 


    Just learn how war, how the feudal system, how succession and how marriage works, that should be enough to get you going, you don't need to know how things like the holy roman empire or the pope works, that's something you learn along the way. Start in Ireland (noob island) and go from there. I would be happy to help people along who have a hard time starting out. 

    • DarkTempler7 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      7 months ago

      The tutorial is generally good enough to get you a good idea of how the game works. Crazy story by the way, you had some bad luck with that brother of yours.

  • PhantomsCV FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    7 months ago

    A game that got me into Video games especially computer gaming... Outpost *The original*.  Absolutely fantastic game.  Outside of that, I'd say Dune 2000 or Emperor: Battle for Dune that are both better version of Command & Conquer but in the Dune universe.

  • woard FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    7 months ago

    Enslaved was amazing, especially the parts where you ride the cloud.  Anyone who likes fps games should play Singularity,  it's awesome but i think only about 7 people played it.

  • CirisGecko FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    7 months ago

    Is there any game that you keep coming back to every once in a while, and play through and what brings you back to it?

  • farson135 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    7 months ago

    I have a question. What do you guys think of character choice in games? Specifically, do you prefer the Bioware/Bethesda/etc. blank slate style of character. Where you can be anyone, but the story around you is not very tight. Or something like the Witcher games where you do have choices but your core character is a set person. As such, the game can have a much tighter story because the writers have a character to write for. I cannot fathom how you could write the Witcher 3 romance conundrum into a Bioware game.


    An obscure game series that I like is the Stalker series. Stalker is kind of the Russian version of Fallout. In other words, the technology behind the game is not very good and it is punishingly difficult at times. If you ever thought that Fallout was too easy, then give Stalker a try (it is on Steam). 

    • SerPlumtree FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      7 months ago

      Bioware games have pretty tight stories. 

      I would say that they are much closer to the Witcher then they are to Bethesda games

      Also bioware games do have similar romance conundrums (having to pick, and having to deal with the consequences of dating multiple people ect) 

    • farson135 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      7 months ago

      @SerPlumtree Not really. At the very beginning of Mass Effect we learn that David Anderson believes that the only type of person who can protect the galaxy is a survivor, a hero, or someone ruthless. Who the hell is David Anderson? He is little more than a basket of archetypes, when he is not a blank slate. And it is the same for most characters. Dragon Age is better about characters, but there are all kinds of bizarre inconsistencies. In Dragon Age 2 you can walk around joking about seeing women and children murdered and everyone still treats you like the great hero of the land. 


      I do not know if you have played the Witcher 3 or read the books but there is far more to the romance than that. This youtube video is a good non-spoilery example, and even if you have played the Witcher I recommend it. The long and short of it is that who your Geralt chooses is far more important to who your Geralt is, than who your Shepard chooses. My Shepard chose Liara the first time around because I did not like the other romance option. I choose Yennefer every time I play the Witcher 3 because it feels wrong to be with Triss (also in the books she is a fucking bitch). 

    • SerPlumtree FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      7 months ago

      @farson135

      I've played the Wicther 3 like 5 times and read the books.

      I'm not say Bioware games are as good story telling or as in depth characters. My point was you said "What do you guys think of character choice in games? Specifically, do you prefer the Bioware/Bethesda/etc. blank slate style of character. Where you can be anyone, but the story around you is not very tight"  

      But Bioware and bethesda game are polar opposites, and bioware and the Witcher games are at the core similar in how they deal with the player.

      In Bethesda games its a true sandbox you can play any character however you want. Want to be a tradition Nord hero and save the world from dragons? You can do that. Want to ignore the threat to Tamriel and go around killing bandits? sure go ahead.


      Whereas both the Witcher and Bioware games the story is pre-set and you character choices are how you react to the story being presented. I'm not saying they're not different. (in the Witcher you play Geralt a pre-defined character. But Mass effect isnt much different, sure you can change how Shepherd looks, but the character choices past that arn't much more varied. 

      Also just because the Witcher does it better (less inconsistencies)doesnt mean its fundamentally different.

      Also thats more you not liking the romance options, I chose Tali because she she was loyal and fun and she felt like she had her own plans to achieve. 

      And i picked Yen because, she was charming and stubborn and she and Geralt were so similar. 


      (As side note, even in the games Triss is kind of a bitch, I mean she uses Geralts amnesia to manipulate him into dating her) 


      P.s Sorry for the super long winded post. 

    • farson135 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      7 months ago

      @SerPlumtree I do not mind having a gaming discussion. Your opinions are worth listening to.


      I am not talking about gameplay (true sandbox vs story driven sandbox). Let me try this in a different way. There are two basic kinds of RPGs. JRPGs (Japanese RPGs) and WRPGs (Western RPGs). These two types of RPGs were defined by their different approaches to storytelling (the different gameplay mechanics came later, when technology developed). In JRPGs, you are role playing as the preset character. In WRPGs you are role playing as your avatar. The Witcher is more of a JRPG and Mass Effect is more of a WRPG because in the Witcher you are role playing as Geralt, while in Mass Effect you are role playing as yourself (more or less).


      Think about it this way, in Mass Effect you can be a hero who saved the world, or a brutal fighter who believes the ends justify the means. In the Witcher, you are Geralt. True, you can decide to give a woman a potion that might save her or make her die screaming. Alternatively, you can refuse to give her the potion and just let her die in peace, but Geralt can choose either and still be the same Geralt.


      Don’t get me wrong, I like Bioware games despite their inconsistencies. But the Witcher games are a completely different experience because JRPGs and WRPGs are different genres. The reason I did not define the question that way to begin with was because both terms have a bit too much baggage for a great discussion. Too many people get hung up on the “Japanese” and “Western” part of the terms, even though Dark Souls (WRPG, Made in Japan) and South Park: The Stick of Truth (JRPG, Made in the USA) exist. In addition, the two genres are starting to blend together more and more (the Witcher being the best example so far). Also, I kind of want to continue the discussion from the Youtube video I posted. I find the question of whether you can add more engaging choices by eliminating some choices, very interesting (though I did not have defined the question perfectly). Far more interesting than the somewhat tired JRPG vs WRPG (going back to baggage). 

    • SerPlumtree FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      7 months ago

      @farson135 

      Ahh see I don't think that Sheapard is actually a 'choose to be whoever you want' type of character.

      I've always seen it as you can be good sheapard or bad sheapard, and you can date and be freidnsly with you you want, but in the end you are still a a solider who is always to some degree patriotic, he is always someone who will save the galaxy and is someone who is fine working with aliens. So much of his personality is already there, Not as much as Geralt but still much more then the traditions WRPG, so I suppose maybe it's more of a middle ground between the two?


      Also on the question of making a more engaged story by eliminating choices I think it depends on what kind of game, I love the witcher and am fine with the level of choices because the story is so good and so well told.

      But at the same time I wouldn't want skyrim to be like that because I also like the way skyrim lets you make your own story.

      Like I did a playthough of skyrim where the character joined the thieves guild, that led to the nightingale, then that led him to become a dark brotherhood member, eventually, regretting his sins, he settles down and hasn't a kid, only to them have to set off once again to protect his homeland from the dragon menace.


    • farson135 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      7 months ago

      @SerPlumtree You might consider Shepard a middle ground between depending on how you interpret the character. However, you can play as a xenophobic Shepard. Hell, you can effectively commit genocide on at least 4 races in Mass Effect 3 alone (the Krogan, Rachni, Quarians, and Geth). When I played my renegade Shepard I stopped believing the, “I am only doing what is necessary to save humanity”, talk from my Shepard. Instead I started hearing Liquid’s voice in my head saying, “(y)ou enjoy all the killing”. In other words, Shepard stopped being a soldier in my mind and just became a psychopath whose insanity was directed at a convenient target.


      The difference in our opinions might just come down to our interpretations of the character of Shepard. We seem to agree on Geralt, but paragon and renegade Shepard are so radically different that it is difficult for me to see any similarities between the two, other than the basic story elements.  


      I think there is a place for both kinds of games. I love the Witcher, but I still really like Skyrim. However, I never felt like I got punched in the gut in Skyrim the way I did with the Witcher 3. I have never cried during a video game or movie but the Witcher 3 inspired some true emotions in me.


      **Spoilers for the Witcher 3 ahead (I know you have played it but this is for anyone else)**

      When Vesemir died, and Geralt cleaned his sword I could feel the emotion in Geralt’s face.

      **End Spoilers**


      Credit to the animators at CD Project Red. That scene inspired my thoughts on choice in games before I ever saw the previously mentioned video. It is effectively impossible to seriously mocap the various facial configurations in a game with character creation. By eliminating character creation, you can have much more detailed character facial expressions and movements. Think about this, you cannot individually animate every conversation in the Witcher or Mass Effect. Most conversations are built using stock animations from all the characters. Leaning against a table, folding your arms, shaking your head, etc. are all preset animations. Think about how many more movements Geralt has than Shepard, not just body movements but facial as well. That makes the Witcher conversations seem so much more substantial than those in Mass Effect.


      On top of that, Geralt’s relation to Vesemir is set up. In Mass Effect, Bioware has to take account Shepard preferring Udina over Anderson. Shepard cannot be as close to or have as much history with Anderson because you can just treat him as a superior officer.


      This gets to the heart of the question for me. I do not really care about having “fun” per se. I never watched Schindler’s List and thought that was a “fun” movie. It was engaging, but not fun. There is more than enough room for the Elder Scrolls/Fallouts/etc. of the world. But how do you think we can build a more engaging story? I know I asked the question in a kind of poor way, but that is more or less what I am asking. If we want a truly engaging story, then should we eliminate some choice or should we be as free as possible? The prevailing theory was the latter but, as with the narrator in the video, I think the Witcher helps call that into question.


      You are helping me get my thoughts in order. Now that I have talked it out a bit I would ask the question in a completely different way. Thanks. 

  • RickRock87 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold I'm internetting

    7 months ago

    Do you ever think there will be a point when games are no longer relevant?  I wanted to ask if you guys could see the market decline for games and that lead to my first question.  I get nervous that developers will go under and big studios stop producing and we go into a, "The Dark Ages."  ..for games.  Thanks!  simmons

    • DavidtheWavid FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      7 months ago

      The market for books hasn't changed, just evolved. The market for plays to movies. Oratory stories like The Odyssey to Audiobooks today. Really, video games are just games evolved.