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    • Rooster Teeth's Ultimate Failing, RWBY Season 3 (copied from my DeviantArt account, additions to this are between the * symbols)

      1 year ago

      WrightKnight

      For those who either follow me here or are intelligent enough to recognize my writing style on other forums or websites, you know well by now that I utterly DESPISE RWBY Season 3, particularly for the death of Pyrrha Nikos.  My dislike of what we have been shown so far has spread well beyond that (to the point where it retroactively killed any enjoyment I got out of the first 3 seasons due tot uncovering massive plot holes elsewhere and cutting corners in the writing), but I cannot deny that it is where it started.  But there is one thing that I finally realized about Pyrrha's death and it being the catalyst for Ruby's Silver Eyes, and it sickens me that Rooster Teeth would, even by accident at best, send this kind of message to its viewers.  Bad enough that her power comes out of nowhere, coming off as a Deus ex Machina, what makes that sequence of events shown to us even worse is that Ruby's Silver Eyes asspull completely invalidated every concept Pyrrha shaped her whole life on.  What will be read after this is from a post I made on someone's pic, simply because I don't want to type it all out again.


      "So, based on her views on "destiny", it's clear that while Pyrrha had people pushing her to succeed, SHE got herself to where she was.  Her success and fame prior to coming to Beacon?  All her own hard work, drive and effort, to the point where these things are what prompt Ozpin
      to make her the offer of Amber's powers in the first place.  Even how she uses her Semblance is indicative of her development: she ONLY ever used it *beyond the subtlety we are shown* when she absolutely needed to, and her emphasis was on her physical training.


      And all of it amounts to absolutely nothing against Cinder.  Anyone looking at that fight with any scrutiny could tell that Pyrrha had no chance to win, and that any ground she actually got was Cinder playing with her.  While she might have truly caught Cinder off-guard a few times, all Cinder had to do was flex her Maiden muscle and Pyrrha was thrown aside.  This fight is actually a MAJOR departure from how the fights in RWBY have gone.  Up until this point, they made it clear that fighters with more skill, experience and strategy could beat a more powerful opponent if that opponent was lacking in any of those three things, the most notable example is the
      take-down of Amber.  A well-coordinated assault by three lesser fighters was able to bring down a Seasonal Maiden, who was able to over power any one of them effortlessly.  Other examples include Torchwick's repeated victories over Ruby, Yang's defeats by Neo and Adam (the former
      was Yang's perfect counter, and the latter had more power on top of the experience, skill and strategy), and Blake's victory over Torchwick on the train (because he wasn't expecting the Dust-infused shades).  These fights emphasized one thing consistently: that POWER WASN'T EVERYTHING.


      And yet, once Cinder obtained Amber's full powers, she became an unstoppable villain, able to overpower anyone, no matter how skilled, no matter the strategy, no matter their experience, and we see that much when Ozpin tells Pyrrha to go get Glynda, Ironwood and Qrow, telling her
      that she'd only get in the way now.  Freaking OZPIN needs the other three to MAKE IT AN EVEN FIGHT, and even then, it's not a sure thing.  And we are somehow supposed to believe that Pyrrha is an even match for Cinder, someone who in the very first episode of the series was able to match Glynda Goodwitch move for move.  Even if they'd not added in the Seasonal Maiden plot at the last minute, Pyrrha vs. Cinder is not an even fight by any means, since without the Maidens, it means that Cinder is simply using Dust Weaving, and JUST THAT made her an equal to Glynda.  Also to note that Glynda's main form of attack is general telekinesis, which is actually more versatile than Pyrrha's Polarity, and Glynda has YEARS more experience that Pyrrha.  Adding the Maiden powers on top of that only made it worse, even if they'd lowered Cinder's regular skills to keep her at the same level they'd originally had her at.


      And to top it all off, sheer power not only trumped hard work, drive, effort, skill, experience and strategy, an even GREATER power, one beyond the Maidens, was what got Cinder to cut and
      run *when it very nearly killed her*, and by someone who otherwise would NEVER have stood a chance against Cinder, either.  RT ruined Pyrrha's reputation in-series by having her kill Penny, Cinder utterly destroyed her, and Ruby, by easily handling the problem that she couldn't, made every concept that Pyrrha built her life around meaningless. 


      The message that RT sent to its fans, even if it wasn't the intended message, was that hard work, effort and drive won't help you succeed, stolen and inherited power WILL, and that's all that ultimately matters."


      Beyond all the plot holes I'd found later, including the major one that all of Cinder's actions in season 3 were built on, beyond the flimsy justifications I keep hearing about why her death worked mechanically (I routinely dismantle these arguments), beyond anything else, beyond the subjective distastefulness I have for the Fridging death in general....THIS is what I found the most unacceptable about Season 3: that RT has seemingly willingly, from the very beginning of development or RWBY, planned on not only killing off one of their main characters, but to do so in a way that rendered her in every conceivable way, shape and form, utterly WORTHLESS, and did it just for shock value.

    • Plot and Foundation: DBZ vs. RWBY (copied from my DeviantArt account)

      1 year ago

      WrightKnight

      I tend to analyze plot structure in the vein of an architect: the plot is the foundation that you build on, and it must be solid enough to allow the building to remain structurally sound.  One can further use this analogy for individual plot points: big ones are like skyscrapers, and one needs that much more solid foundation to ensure its integrity.  Simply put, when you craft such a gigantic plot point or big event in your story, you have to put in an appropriate amount of effort into building it up.  For RWBY, this was the double-strike of Pyrrha's death and Ruby's Silver Eyes detonating at seeing it.  For Dragonball Z, it was the exact same thing: Freeza kills Krillin and Goku ascends to Super Saiyan due to the grief and guilt he feels.  However, the writers of RWBY saw fit to blindside their audience with both of these things and didn't put in the effort to build it all up, both in the manifestation of that power or Ruby's close friendship with Pyrrha, if such a thing was there, while Akira Toriyama and his crew used the proper build-up and the correct character to serve as the catalyst for Goku's power.

      With such a giant plot point hung on it, we cannot assume that this friendship of theirs is happening off-screen. While the grief we see Ruby feel is fine, tacking on the Silver Eyes requires the catalyst for it to be greater as well. We're no longer talking about just a good friend, we're talking a BEST friend, a significant other, or a cherished sibling, and Pyrrha is not established to be any of these things. Therefore, she is no longer an appropriate character to kill for this scene. You now only have four choices: Weiss, Yang, Jaune and Penny. With all four of them, we have seen the relationship with Ruby either shown developing or emphasized (as was with Yang) in some fashion on a personal level.  

      With the Silver Eyes, they could have easily started the build-up (visibly) with Penny, and have it boil over with Yang, who has already had this literary device used on her without actually killing her (Blake's Semblance upgraded to help her rescue Yang from Adam). However, the only thing we ever hear about Silver Eyes before this scene is Ozpin taking note of it. While this is enough to tell us that her eyes will be significant in some way, simply by who he's stated to be, this in no way gives us any context as to what's going to happen, and we never get any until after the Invasion is over, far too late to matter.


      By comparison, Krillin being the catalyst for Goku's ascension to Super Saiyan made perfect sense, and made the scene connect with us despite the audience knowing that Super Saiyan Goku was coming a mile away, as well as knowing that Krillin could be wished back with the Namekian Dragonballs. His friendship with Goku was long-built since the early days of Dragonball and unlike Gohan, he has already been wished back once with the Earth set. Now, Gohan is close enough to Goku to be a viable kill catalyst, but both we and Goku know that he can be brought back with the Earth set. The kicker here: remember how I said that the audience knew that Krillin could be brought back with the Namekian set.....

      Did Goku?


      NOPE. As far as Goku knew, Krillin, his best friend for many years, just bit it for GOOD. Goku does not know that the Namekian Dragonballs can revive those already brought back once before. More importantly, Goku is also feeling intense guilt over having fought that hard against Freeza and still not being able to stop it. Krillin, by process of elimination, is the only one that they could kill to evoke the Super Saiyan out of Goku that would connect emotionally with both the audience and the character separately, as well as allow us to connect emotionally WITH the character.


      They also built up the context of the Super Saiyan well by using both Freeza and Vegeta. With Vegeta, he's been talking himself up as a Super Saiyan, and we've been privy to Saiyan biology
      giving them a power boost every time they recover from a near-death state. This happened to Vegeta three times on Namek: Zarbon, Recoome and Krillin. And even THAT is not enough to stand against Freeza. Now, if this is really what a Super Saiyan is, then it turns out to be a big
      letdown after hyping it up so much. This means that whatever it is, it is beyond what Vegeta is by the time Freeza kills him. With Freeza, he feared this legend so much that he'd blown up the Saiyan homeworld over it. If we take the Bardock movie into account, he'd also been ordering
      the assassination of Saiyan warriors that got too powerful for his liking. This is more than enough to allow the audience to start painting the picture for themselves as to what a Super Saiyan is, simply because they gave us enough context to it.


      As much as fans deride Dragonball Z for other reasons, this one they hit on the mark while
      Rooster Teeth utterly failed at the same thing, simply because of the amount of work each put in to making the plot point connect. Years of groundwork to use beats out nothing at all any day of the week.

    • SirSailorStar asked WrightKnight a question

      Hi! I read your introduction post on RDDT. Since I saw you said you like writing fiction, I have a question concerning a fan-fiction I just started writing. How long is too long for a chapter?

      Answered: Dec 1, 2016

      Believe it or not, I've actually written very little, and what I've written was pretty bad, looking back on them (and I do remember every one, despite them being YEARS in my past).  My knowledge comes from reading almost my entire life, as well as having good influences close to me, including a writer mother.

      As for your question, there's really no right answer to that one, especially with the avenue of fanfiction.  One could make a really long "first chapter", and have several "-----" page breaks inside it, so those could also be considered "chapters".  Even published books tend to vary wildly with chapter length, even in the same book.

    • NekkidSnek asked WrightKnight a question

      u make me feel better about vol 3 not being ok

      Answered: May 4, 2016

      I can't, really. They basically admitted that all plot threads other than the fallout of the invasion were either never going to be resolved or were resolved with the character involved dying. While character death is a resolution to a character arc, it, like any other plot element, should be used with care. What I see right now is nothing more than RT "following the leader", in that authors are now seen as edgy or courageous for being willing to kill main characters. At the same time, we know that JNPR was given main character status at the last minute in production. That makes me consider the possibility that they were only given that status so they could have bodies to kill and get that view of edginess without actually having to kill any of team RWBY.

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    • Syamur FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Founder and Head of RDDT

      1 year ago

      @WrightKnight, check the RoosterTeeth Community Assistance Forums Page here and type in what your issue is. It is likely they will need a screenshot of your browser to identify the problem and fix it ASAPWR.


      I'm sorry this happened, and the group is not disbanded, I had to delete a few comments I posted on the RDDT Boards, and apparently that jacked-up the system. I hope things get better soon, because I have a new discussion that you should check out that will involve some stuff some may not have caught before tomorrow's new RWBY episode.


      Thanks for telling me this, though.

      • WrightKnight

        1 year ago

        If you've got it under control, then there's no issue.

      • Syamur FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Founder and Head of RDDT

        1 year ago

        I have control of the page @WrightKnight, but something revolving if a member can see it is likely a bug on your end. Try the page I linked, RT can resolve this situation as they did with mine involving members not showing up.

      • WrightKnight

        1 year ago

        I can see it now.  Likely overload on their end.  What's with the "six months" thing?  A joke at RT's release schedule being messed with from the holidays?

      • Syamur FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Founder and Head of RDDT

        1 year ago

        That is correct, and very unfortunate because it's likely a new episode won't be released after an incredibly long period of time. I hope that won't be the case because otherwise RWBY-hype will die-off, and that will significantly harm their reputation and number of FIRST members.


        There is an abundance of FIRSTs now because of RWBY and the Immersion stuff they're doing. Get rid of those, have your regards for RT's profits.

    • Syamur FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Founder and Head of RDDT

      1 year ago

      I saw your message on my group's board, and I'll say this:


      Discussion can go good or bad, there is not right nor wrong in a discussion. I can understand if two people have incredibly differing views that make them enemies, but the entire RWBY discussion is going to have people who you may or may not dislike.


      I'm happy you've joined, and if jVictor and MEK do join, I ask politely that you don't leave. Please, we're all friends here, we don't want to create problems, okay? I put you on the team roster for a reason @WrightKnight, I wouldn't have done that if I felt you detriment the discussion. Try to tolerate what others think, even if to some degree you hate their style of argument. That's what makes a discussion healthy without the drama.

  • Questions answered by WrightKnight

    Believe it or not, I've actually written very little, and what I've written was pretty bad, looking back on them (and I do remember every one, despite them being YEARS in my past).  My knowledge comes from reading almost my entire life, as well as having good influences close to me, including a writer mother.

    As for your question, there's really no right answer to that one, especially with the avenue of fanfiction.  One could make a really long "first chapter", and have several "-----" page breaks inside it, so those could also be considered "chapters".  Even published books tend to vary wildly with chapter length, even in the same book.

    I can't, really. They basically admitted that all plot threads other than the fallout of the invasion were either never going to be resolved or were resolved with the character involved dying. While character death is a resolution to a character arc, it, like any other plot element, should be used with care. What I see right now is nothing more than RT "following the leader", in that authors are now seen as edgy or courageous for being willing to kill main characters. At the same time, we know that JNPR was given main character status at the last minute in production. That makes me consider the possibility that they were only given that status so they could have bodies to kill and get that view of edginess without actually having to kill any of team RWBY.